Talk:Amirids

Removal of sourced material based on a misunderstanding

@Userd898: Amirids does not mean only "descendants of ʿĀmir". As the first line says, it includes "descendants and clients". Indeed, this is rather obvious from Mujāhid's nisba, al-ʿĀmiri, which literally means "the Amirid". The article has a mere two footnotes, which you've retained. They contain quotations. I'll place them here:

Catlos 2018, p. 444: "The dynasty of hajibs of the Umayyad caliphs of Córdoba founded by Muhammad ibn Abi 'Amir al-Mansur. They ruled in Córdoba to 1009, and then briefly in Valencia and Denia."
Seybold 1960: "the descendants (and clients) of al-Manṣūr ibn Abi ʿĀmir, in the first place his sons ... To the former clients of the house belong Muhārak and Muẓaffar ... and Mudjāhid al-ʿĀmiri"

The first affirms that the Amirids ruled in Valencia and Denia, while the second affirms that "the former clients of the house" are considered Amirids. You yourself note in your edit summaries that "slaves were loyal to the tribes of their masters". So what is the issue here? "Amirid" refers to affiliation and not only blood relation. Srnec (talk) 01:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Srnec: I'm the one who added the clients parts to avoid confusion, the problem here is that the article does not more explicitly make it clear that these dynasties are from the slaves of banu amir and not direct descendants of them themselves, and also that it does not mention all the dynasties and taifas, so i propose that we add all the taifa dynasties from the saqaliba page, and make it clear that these amirids are amirids the slaves, not amirids the arabs AbdurRahman Abdulmoneim (talk) 10:42, 23 May 2021 (CLT)

The clients part was there from the beginning, when I wrote it. We need sources that explicitly say the rulers of Tortosa and Almería were Amirids. Srnec (talk) 16:08, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Srnec:my faulty memory then, as for tortosa and almeria it's written in their names and their pages that they're saqalabi/slavic salves, and in that period in andalus all slavic slaves (or all significant ones) were amirid, brought by al-mansur. the saqaliba fled away from cordoba during the fitna and established taifas on th east coast AbdurRahman Abdulmoneim (talk) 10:42, 23 May 2021 (CLT)