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Network v. syndication

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Please, actual read the sources, it say it it is a network (or its synonym, channel) was used in the sources not syndication.

  1. Conference USA announces new television agreement: "Conference USA will also be a part of the new American Sports Network, a collegiate sports network that will air on Sinclair's broadcast television stations, as the network will broadcast 30 C-USA football games in 2014."
  2. Sinclair Launches American Sports Network: "Sinclair Broadcast Group will launch American Sports Network, a college sports channel broadcast on Sinclair’s stations."
  3. Patriot League enters into TV agreement with new American Sports Network:"The Patriot League is one of five Division I collegiate conferences that have signed on to be broadcast on a new sports TV network established by the Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc., of Baltimore." --Spshu (talk) 21:53, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
ASN may call themselves a network, but it's just branding, not reality. ASN is a syndicated package of games, which are bought by individual stations (or cable channels), some of which are not owned by Sinclair. There is no network or channel. The games are all broadcast (or cablecast) on individual pre-existing stations. Raycom Sports runs the 'ACC Network' which also is a syndication package of games. JeffConn (talk) 14:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but one that is what the sources are reporting. Two, you must report what the source say not what you think. Three, a network is a hub (the programming group) broadcasted on [schedule which ASN does. Read several discussions at WikiProject Television Stations regarding PTEN as a network:
You will see as you make your way around various of the early TV stations that they had multiple affiliations usually a primary then one or more secondary. When the UPN and WB launch some station were dual affiliates (of both) and existing stations pick up them up as secondary affiliations (for example, WNEM-TV have both UPN and WB from 1995-2000 and shared the ABC affiliate with WKNX-TV (channel 57) for 4 years). Spshu (talk) 01:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Cannot not find enough on the Raycom Sports article or website about the ACC Network to comment on that. Spshu (talk) 01:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do agree with the notion that in its current form, ASN is more of a syndication package than anything. If, however, Sinclair launched an actual ASN 24-hour channel (i.e. like a digital subchannel network), that would be different. But for all intents and purposes, in its current form, even if it uses the term "Network" in its branding and it "is" a network of stations, it is not strictly a television network per se. ViperSnake151  Talk  19:23, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Again, the PTEN discussion make it clear we have to go with what the sources say. Currently, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, the CW and My Network TV (nor did UPN, WB & PTEN), as I understand it, do not provide much programming outside of prime time and Saturday morning (E/I). A network of stations is a TV network, or more specifically a TV network is a core programmer showing programming on a set schedule on various stations. ASN meets those criteria (except in a case of a regional cable network time delaying the game). Yes, split affiliation can exists as they occurred with most early networks and PTEN. Many Network sports program regionalize what programming is shown were. Again, over the history of TV, stations have had secondary affiliations (see samples above). I see that their are stations with channels affiliated with My Network TV and This TV (WFGX, KPTH). Spshu (talk) 20:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed the first sentence to acknowledge that ASN is doing syndicated programming (GT3 Challenge racing) too. Spshu (talk) 20:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you're going to assert this, I guess it's time to consider ACC Network and SEC TV as television networks too. ViperSnake151  Talk  20:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My thinking is ASN right now isn't much different than ESPN Plus; in fact I see it as absorbing rights that ESPN+ has given up for their bigger conferences/lack of appeal and it's pretty much a humdrum Saturday college football syndication package like ACC Network or in the old days, Raycom/Jefferson Pilot's SEC Saturdays, which we never called out in station articles as infobox-worthy affiliations. In fact I wouldn't be shocked if like those packages, ESPN3/WatchESPN would eventually pick up some games under license from SBG. In no way is this even equivalent to PTEN (which I thought was never really a network but just a package of shows most stations took grudgingly for Babylon 5 and Kung Fu); this is a syndication package, pure and simple, it doesn't air 24/7 and pretty much fills time where Entertainment Studios junket shows would in the winter months. A call-out in text mentioning a station carries ASN is fine; infobox or template call-out is too much. Now if SBG eventually throws, say, Zuus Country off their station subchannels and starts ASN as a full-time network...then that's different. Nate • (chatter) 16:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ASN was multi-sourced as a network but is providing a syndicated program, GT Challenge.
The CW doesn't provide 24/7 programming as Saturday and Sunday Nights are complete void of programming not even the encore or sports programming of ABC or Fox (see: Fall 2014 prime time grid. Fox and the CW do not program the 10 PM hour either. Spshu (talk) 16:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I usually define a "television network" as a service that provides a franchised station brand and a full-time source (i.e. at minimum, two hours of primetime programming on weekdays) of television programming, year-round on a consistently scheduled basis. ASN does not fall under my definition because it is not a full-time source of programming (they are only "occasional" broadcasts; in relation to a channel's entire lineup, they are still the minority) year-round on a consistently scheduled basis (college sports do not occur year-round, and while they may fall within "standardized"/traditional kickoff times, they do not always occur weeknights at 8). Fox and The CW do qualify as a network because they are franchised station brands, and consistently schedule programming on a full-time (weekdays 8 to 10) basis. PTEN does not qualify as a network because it was not a franchised station brand, not consistently scheduled (as noted, some stations broke it apart across multiple days), and not full-time (it did not program primetime each weekday). ViperSnake151  Talk  18:25, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
First off, we are not here to push our personal definitions of any thing and must go by the sourced information. There are such a thing as an "occasional network" like Mobil Showcase Network and other networks set up by SFM Entertainment like General Foods Golden Showcase Network and Del Monte Foods' TV network and their own SFM Holiday Network. PTEN has been repeatedly discussion (as linked) to be a network (until BCH/United TV pulled out for another network, UPN) by the TVS project. UPN and WB during their first few years as they programmed 2 or 3 days in prime time were considered networks. 3 source state ASN is a network thus it is a network and does a syndicated program. Spshu (talk) 14:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion shares a similar issue with the one that has resulted in us having two different pages for Fyi instead of one. Yes, you're holding a discussion, but you're still going out of your way to oppose any argument posed by people who object to your assertion. Yes, they use the word "network" in its name, which means that other people are using the term "network" too. But it's just branding. What special differences from ESPN Regional/Raycom Sports does this have that makes it a legal television network? I actual read the sources, and its very unclear. But can we go with a compromise and say "syndicated, ad hoc network"? ViperSnake151  Talk  18:54, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It does recongized that you don't want to recognize sourced and the settled principal about what qualifies as a network was decided re:PTEN. Those arguments have been asked and answered and were continually being brought up with out really any thing new to add, if I don't respond then it looks like I accept their argument. One we don't decide if they are legal networks then possible Fox, UPN, WB and the CW wouldn't qualify as networks. Fox purposely fell short of the FCC regulation as to avoid regulation as a network (which if you look at the PTEN discussion was brought up) which led to relying on the sources. Three source indicated that it was a network which were quoted here how can that not be clear? Yes, others were indifferent in defining ASN, but so what in three years time if an article doesn't call Fox a network then it no longer qualifies as a network despite common use as being one. Second, Sinclair can consistently have their stations broadcast ASN's programming, so it has a fixed (for the most part) set of stations showing what is scheduled. That is what I see as the difference from EPSN+/Raycom. It was already adjusted to indicate ASN was both, as they are doing a syndicated programming, which you removed. Are you going to remove it again? You are the one extending the discussion here by doing so. Otherwise, I have no objections. Spshu (talk) 21:20, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
TVNewsCheck is suddenly referring to it as "syndication". ViperSnake151  Talk  17:15, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Affiliate List

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The affiliate list seems to have just been copied from a particular Marshall football game in October 2014. The affiliates vary greatly from game to game, including many not listed and not including many that are listed. Probably the affiliate list should be deleted. SamC (talk) 17:27, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it was taken from that list as most source called it a network, so I assumed that would be the initial sign up affiliated. While "ad hoc" was added to "network" per the above discussion, it seems that Sinclair is operating more "ad hoc" than was anticipated at the time of that discussion with an ever changing stations in the "network" for any given show. Perhaps just indicate that the network seem to show up on any Sinclair or Sinclair affiliates, the regional network sourced and just the other companies the network is showing up on. --Spshu (talk) 23:34, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can we just stop with the insistence of calling it a network and say it's syndicated but mostly to Sinclair stations? ViperSnake151  Talk  04:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer how you actually edit the lead that ASN is Sinclair's sports department. Spshu (talk) 13:04, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We should add "programming" (or some similar wording) to sports department, so as to disambiguate from sports reporting. So, are we in some agreement that the individual station under Sinclair ownership or control (Deerfield Media, Cunningham Broadcasting, Howard Stirk Holdings, etc) should not be listed and should be mention by the ownership? If we completely remove the affiliate list then the station's or channel's article should then mention what programming from ASN. Spshu (talk) 13:14, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Pingnig SamC What's the state of this? There is a split proposal in the article but no discussion. Feel free to delete the split tag or carry on with a split if you consider it useful. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 12:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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SNY Is Missing

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SNY is owned by Comcast and is available in New York City, its suburbs, and upstate New York. SNY should be added to the "Regional sports networks" category where the other Comcast (CSN) channels are. EvanJ35 (talk) 22:38, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So, this isn't the Comcast Sports Group page, it is the ASN , owned by Sinclair. So while many may be broadcasting some of ASN programming, it is not necessarily such that all of the Comcast regional sports channels are. Spshu (talk) 23:24, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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