Talk:America's Got Talent: The Champions

Episode/Round summary

Since this is a much shorter season and only a spinoff, I think that performance descriptions per episode should be added. The rounds are different as compared to the original series. The Episodes section may be replaced with Preliminary Round and Finals. The ratings may be placed on a separate table just like in regular seasons. -Hiwilms (talk) 14:47, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree. This is a seperate got talent franchise and comprises of all top 50 talents from got talent franchises all over the world. The rounds are clearly as different to the original series. Furthermore, also note that it is much nicer and easier to understand the round rather than cramping it to a summary. Visaully more attentive & appealing. I second Hiwilms.

-Dukula (talk) 09:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Also Hiwilms have adjusted the table in a more appealing manner than originally done. Furthermore, the English is clearly bad, but it would be helpful if we all go and help this article to be more consitent in grammer and stuff, by changing and editing the stuff that is not clear.

-Dukula (talk) 09:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the removal of the episode table and keeping the Preliminaries/performance description section. It's only seven episodes. These aren't really auditions. They're actually more like semi-finals. I don't think it makes sense to exclude it. We'd probably only have one table if we did... for the finals performances. I think adding sources to the descriptions would improve its notability to be included in the page, though. Heartfox (talk) 04:40, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I think there are five preliminary rounds and one finale. Thats how I heard it, not sure yet. Anyways, is it required to add the 2nd place, 3rd place in the main table and also is it required to add the flag icon beside each got talent franchise?

-Dukula (talk) 12:47, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

That's probably right. Let's just wait for the next episodes. I retained your edits on the contestant summary, but I had some edits on the format. -Hiwilms (talk) 08:31, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

@Heartfox and Dukula Jayasinghe: I'm not going to either support nor oppose the addition or exclusion of anything on this page because as can be seen from the other day it made be a it agitated and there's no point in me getting blocked/banned over an edit war on this article. It probably won't last very long before I'm editing again but if I am it'll probably try to keep it on the smaller side editing. With that said, I'm no longer watching this article or talk page so if a further response has anything to do with this response or questions about the format of the series feel free to {{ping}} me but I'm trying to remember to check in every so often. Anyways to answer the question about number of rounds/episodes the first five are practically confirmed to be preliminaries, I say that because there are 50 contestants returning for this series and 10 are confirmed to be competing this week per The Futon Critic (TFC)([1]) each week. So 50 divided by 10 that makes up the first 5 episodes. With two advancing each week we'll have 10 contestants (5 by superfan vote, 5 by golden buzzer) left by episode 6. Where we go from there I'm not sure because TFC doesn't go that far yet but we are confirmed to have 7 episodes. TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Meant to ping @Hiwilms: to above response instead of Heartfox, sorry. TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:52, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Short Summaries

I think the 'short summaries' in the episodes section of the page seem to be a bit long for a, "short summary". I personally don't think they need to include every single result that happened to each act (Ex: A, B, C got eliminated. D got gold buzzer and E won fan vote), but just a shortened down summary of the episode. Not sure how to shorten it up in the first place, or should we just go with the generic descriptions on Zap2it? Magitroopa (talk) 06:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: Zap2it is not an option, episode summaries must be written in editors own words because of copyright reasons. I personally don't think the summaries are too long, they fall within the requirements of WP:TVPLOT. TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:59, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Magitroopa:, @TheDoctorWho: I agree with TheDoctorWho. The episodes are somewhat summarized and give a description of the episode if one dooes not want to read the full episode details given at the bottom of the page. Dukula Jayasinghe(talk) 13:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I believe the Episodes section should be removed entirely. The preliminaries section already shows the performing order and results of each episode, therefore making it illogical to have the same information on the page twice. This page should also have a structure similar to the pages for the other 13 seasons, but since the format is different, it could look something like this: The production section could be first, followed by the preliminaries, contestant overviews, ratings and references sections.

66.211.206.59 (talk) 20:28, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Citation for $25,000 Prize

Each episode's closing credits say that the winner receives $25,000 "in addition to the announced prize," although no other prize was ever mentioned. -- That Don Guy (talk) 16:11, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I can't check right now but assuming the closing credits actually say that just use {{Cite episode}} as a citation. TheDoctorWho (talk) 18:07, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Major overhaul of article needed at some point

This article is gonna to need an overhaul on the information being presented, should there be full confirmation (than currently provided) that a second season is to be presented. If so, it must include separate articles for each season, and the respective tables and details going into this, while this article focuses on providing overall details on the program itself, including reception, more information on production, and history behind its creation.GUtt01 (talk) 14:40, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@GUtt01: Definitely agree, while I'd be willing to help I don't currently have the motive, ability, nor time (even if I did have the motive or ability) to do it myself. When trying to help expand/maintain the article properly (according to MOS:TV) while the season was airing it became too difficult to do with there being editors who wanted to not follow MOS and weren't willing to discuss. Between that and this season airing in the main television season I found better shows to watch since I couldn't be useful here I lost motivation to watch, whoops. With that being said if you or anyone else decides to work on this, let me know and I'll do what I can where I can; building on that though the article should work towards following MOS:TV. Thanks, TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:55, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Split proposed

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Article was split for season 2 earlier this month by an IP editor. I removed split the content from main article and added attrition to the edit history of season 2 article. I went ahead and did the split for season 1 myself. WikiVirusC^(talk) 04:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

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I'm proposing to split this article into three – one for the show, one for season 1, and another for season 2. -Hiwilms (talk) 06:23, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support That has been done for other NBC TV shows with multiple seasons (with The Voice, The Good Place, Superstore, and This is Us being prime examples). Since there is precedence for such action, we should similarly take such action in relation to this show. --Jgstokes (talk) 08:12, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: As others have observed in their comments below, most other TV shows that have been split off have a main page, then a page for individual seasons. So I wanted to add here that, in view of those other comments, I too would be in favor of this page remaining as an overview of the series, while separate pages should be established for specific details relating to seasons 1 and 2 and all subsequent seasons. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 02:24, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Agree to the split, but it must be done in a respective manner. All information pertaining to the spin-off show itself must be retained, and there must definitely be a clear section of information regarding its format, and a season overview section with regards to the contest overall top 3 results. Each season must have details about the overview of the season, how participants were selected, and provide the detailed information of results of the contest within them, including the ratings tables for each season moved into these. GUtt01 (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Agree with User:GUtt01 make sure that everything follows WP:TVMOS. The series overview in the episode section can be expanded to include info about top three results similar to the one at List of Big Brother episodes just not as large. TheDoctorWho ^{(Happy Christmas!)} 02:13, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Agree 100% with everything above.Dlsapery (talk) 15:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Just as previously requested and as I suggested I've expanded the series overview table to include a brief overview of each season including the winner, runner-up, and the number of contestants. This should satisfy concerns raised above if/when the article is split. TheDoctorWho ^{(Happy Christmas!)} 18:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @GUtt01: You removed season specific information from the overview table on this basis Amended table - If it is to match the one mentioned in MOS:TV, then it cannot include fields about the winners, runner-ups and number of contestants for each season; not according to what the section it in contains, which is lists of episodes, is there anything specifically stating that in MOS? Per MOS:TVOVERVIEW the only thing expressly prohibited is home media releases. The template has aux parameters for a reason so it's perfectly fine to use them. Again, pointing us to similar examples of reality TV shows at List of Big Brother episodes and List of Survivor episodes or a non-reality TV example of a widely expanded series overview table List of Doctor Who episodes. TheDoctorWho ^{(Happy Christmas!)} 01:46, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

But that section the table is in is covering episodes, not the contests themselves. At present, the information on the contests are on the article; only if the splits occur, should that information return (as the episode tables will go to the respective new articles) GUtt01 (talk) 09:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Venue for AGT:TC

Does anyone know the venue used for this spin-off? Would be helpful to have this stated in the article, along with a citation. GUtt01 (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Actually, in relation to that subject, I found this article through a basic search via Google. That article states that it is filmed at the Pasadena Stadium in Pasadena, California. As far as wehether the location where it is filmed should be included, it has been somewhat standard for other TV shows (particularly talk, variety, talent, etc.) to include a location. Speaking personally, if no one else objects, I believe the location where it is filmed does have some relevance. FWIW, that's my take on this. thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

I think we're also gonna need a History section for the article. We need to have information regarding when the spin-off was conceived by its creator, Simon Cowell. After several years of AGT and BGT, something must have convinced him to create this spin-off (and that for BGT). GUtt01 (talk) 09:30, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Removal of golden buzzer

I think the previous format where the judge who pressed the golden buzzer is indicated should be restored. This is to make use of the "Buzzes and Judges' Votes" column. -Hiwilms (talk) 10:14, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

• Disapprove: It's trivial, and pure FANCRUFT, and goes against WP:INDISCRIMINATE. We don't need to know who gotgave a golden buzzer in the individual results tables, either with a note or the Golden Buzzer icon; it is perfectly fine to use the color coding and stating "Advanced Immediately" (season 1) or "Grand-final Advancement" (season 2 and possible future seasons, if format sticks to this) in the Results column for a participant who received a golden buzzer. Notes for tables should really make clear on certain details such as why a judge's vote isn't displayed, or if a participant's performance had to be conducted in a manner to conform to health & safety rules of the program. GUtt01 (talk) 20:14, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

WildCard Act

Should we get further seasons of this spin-off, editors should assume there will be a WildCard act, unless they find evidence that this will not be the case for the season. Evidence must be linked to, and should CLEARLY state that there was no WildCard in the season. GUtt01 (talk) 18:02, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Denoting of Nationality

Nationality for participants should be denoted by the participant's citizenship from birth: If they live in another country and are a citizen there, don't denote it as such, unless they declare themselves (with evidence) that that country is their home nation. Any participants whose nationality can't be proven due to them not disclosing it, should be denoted with the "N/A" template - even if they appeared on particular international edition of the Got Talent franchise, they shouldn't be denoted as being of that nationality; it would be declaring something that might later be proven to be incorrect/false. GUtt01 (talk) 15:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

IP Vandalism

We had an IP vandalise this article with something about a "Hope Academy" thing. If it happens here or elsewhere, let admins know ASAP! GUtt01 (talk) 07:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

'Official' website

In my latest edit, I've removed the link being used as the 'official' website, as from just quickly looking at it, it was very apparent to me that it was clearly a fan site. I then managed to find the 'about' page for the website here, which very clearly states, "please note this is not official Site this site is only Fan Made...".

Now for those who may not understand my edit summary, basically, the 'official website' for AGT: TC was just using the main AGT website with a new link, evident with how https://www.nbc.com/americas-got-talent-the-champions simply redirects to https://www.nbc.com/americas-got-talent. Using Web Archive/Wayback Machine (see full 2020 archive here), it seems like February 27, 2020 was the last time it was branded for The Champions before preparations began for season 15 on February 28, 2020. I had actually removed the 'official website' template altogether since some previous archive dates I checked got stuck on 'page loading' when the page entirely finished loading, and I assumed the same would occur on this one.

Seeing how that isn't the case, however, I'd just simply like to ask what would be best/what other editors would want: either the February 27, 2020 archived site for America's Got Talent: The Champions, or no official website linking at all? Seems like those would be the two options to go by, as we probably wouldn't want to use the previous The Champions link that just redirects to the main AGT site itself. Magitroopa (talk) 05:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC)