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Review: May 26, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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Kemp, Sam (September 20, 2021). "The most sampled band in music: The history of the 'Amen' break". Far Out. Retrieved May 15, 2023.

A fact from Amen break appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 June 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Amen break (waveform pictured) gained popularity because it offered an easy way to create jungle music?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Amen break.

File:Amen break sample image.png

GA Review

Passed. Joeyquism (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Amen break/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: LunaEclipse (talk · contribs) 14:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Joeyquism (talk · contribs) 20:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! As someone who used to make really horrible boom bap instrumentals on FL Studio, I know all too well about this break. I'll get the review done in the coming days (or hours, depends on how much time I have). --Joeyquism (talk) 20:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Only things I could find: Though "Color Him Father" became a top-10 R&B hit and won a Grammy Award, "Amen Brother", received little notice at the time of release. — Remove the comma after "Amen Brother", and add a comma in between "Amen" and "Brother" (or remove commas from all other instances of "Amen, Brother" for consistency). Done 🌙Eclipse ^(talk) ^(contribs) 23:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply] [...] and "Keep It Going Now" by Rob Base and DJ E-Z Rock. — Change the wikilink to use the ampersand instead of the word "and". "Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock" is the name of the group; the ampersand is part of this name. Done 🌙Eclipse ^(talk) ^(contribs) 23:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Otherwise, no issues with MoS.
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Looks good.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Since there are so few sources listed, I'm just going to do all of them: [1] Source supports Spencer's leadership of the group and statute of limitations stuff. No copyvio. [2] Source supports nearly everything except the £24,000 claim (the article says "gathered more than £18,000 ($26,000)", so you can use this instead). If there is a different source that states £24,000, use that one instead. If there is none, just say "more than £18,000". Done 🌙Eclipse ^(talk) ^(contribs) 23:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply] [3] Source supports everything it is used as a citation for. No copyvio — some sentences come kinda close, but they're so short that I can't see any other way to phrase these things without drifting into WP:ELEVAR territory. However, this phrase needs some in-line attribution or paraphrasing because of the quote: In "King of the Beats" by Mantronix (1988), the Amen break is "chopped up, layered and processed so that the drums became central to the track rather than simply a rhythmic bedding". Done 🌙Eclipse ^(talk) ^(contribs) 23:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply] [4] Source supports Amen break use in Straight Outta Compton and Keep It Going Now. No copyvio. [5] Source supports Amen break use in drum and bass and jungle music. No copyvio. [6] Source supports Amen break use in Futurama theme song. No copyvio. [7] Source supports information on Spencer's death. No copyvio.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Don't see anything that violates this.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Copyvio check comes back fine, with the highest similarity score at 27.5% from the BBC (source 2).
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Looks good.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Stays focused throughout.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Neutral point of view maintained.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	No edit warring here.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	All images used are fair use or public domain. Sample of Amen break is both below 10% of the original audio (15.6 seconds) and 30 seconds.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Everything is relevant to the topic, but can the drum notation get a caption? I would assume most people reading about a drum break would have some idea of what it shows, but I can't speak for everyone. Done 🌙Eclipse ^(talk) ^(contribs) 23:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	7. Overall assessment.	@LunaEclipse: For now, I'm putting this on hold. Some very minor things with prose and references need to be addressed, but otherwise it looks pretty good. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to let me know by pinging me. Thank you for your hard work on this article! --Joeyquism (talk) 22:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LunaEclipse: Looks better. Passing now. --Joeyquism (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 02:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[[File:|140px|Waveform of the Amen break ]]

Waveform of the Amen break

... that the Amen break (waveform pictured) gained popularity because it offered an easy way to create jungle music?

Source: https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2011/12/17/seven-seconds-of-fire (subscription needed)

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Amazing Digital Circus

Improved to Good Article status by LunaEclipse (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

🌙Eclipse ^(talk) ^(contribs) 00:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Very good nom here! Love this topic and glad it's gonna be good to go for DYK. Recently passed GA review, so that covers its new enough, presentable, and well-sourced considerations. It is also long enough, and the hook is interesting and well-sourced as well. A lot of ALT hooks can be constructed for this one, but ALT0 is good. Good job on this one Soulbust (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Waveform

Probably a wider question on licensing, but seeing this on DYK made me think – is a waveform a derivative work? The original audio must have been used in the creation of the waveform image. MIDI (talk) 09:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically? No doubt about it.

Legally? I wouldn't worry about it. I wonder if there's a distinction between a (sufficiently zoomed-out) waveform and a spectrograph, as you can retrieve the original audio with appreciable resolution from the latter but not the former. Remsense诉 09:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate that a waveform showing amplitude over time is not sufficient to reconstruct (or even approximate) the original work, but that's not relevant in this being a derivative work of copyrighted media. Reading WP:DERIVATIVE, my interpretation is that while we may be able to justify the waveform's inclusion under fair use, it's not something that can be released as PD, as the file has been, without the recording itself being PD. I think I'll raise this elsewhere as it's not specific to this article. MIDI (talk) 14:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please link the discussion if you do, I'd be interested. Remsense诉 14:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will do - I'm gonna strike the image from the MP (currently leaving a note on Talk:Main page) then when I find the time I'll start a topic somewhere. The only previous mention of this I've found is Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions/Archive/2008/September#Screenshots_of_copyrighted_Audio_files, which suggests that other editors may agree with my thoughts (I'll tag them in too). MIDI (talk) 14:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]