Talk:2012 Derby arson attack

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the 2012 Derby arson attack article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see this noticeboard.

Crime and Criminal Biography: Serial, mass, and spree killers Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Serial Killer task force (assessed as Low-importance).

Death Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Death, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Death on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DeathWikipedia:WikiProject DeathTemplate:WikiProject DeathDeath articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Derbyshire Low‑importance

	Derbyshire portal The article on 2012 Derby arson attack is supported by the Derbyshire WikiProject, which is a collaborative effort to improve the quality and coverage of Derbyshire-related articles on Wikipedia.DerbyshireWikipedia:WikiProject DerbyshireTemplate:WikiProject DerbyshireDerbyshire articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Disaster management Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Disaster management, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Disaster management on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Disaster managementWikipedia:WikiProject Disaster managementTemplate:WikiProject Disaster managementDisaster management articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Firefighting Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Firefighting, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to firefighting on Wikipedia! If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.FirefightingWikipedia:WikiProject FirefightingTemplate:WikiProject FirefightingFirefighting articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.

United Kingdom Low‑importance

	United Kingdom portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article was nominated for merging with Mick Philpott on 31 May 2012. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

On 9 August 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Allenton house fire to Derby house fire. The result of the discussion was Moved to 2012 Derby arson attack.

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion (at Talk:Mick Philpott) was no consensus - strong arguments a year ago to merge MP to AHF have been replaced with recent arguments for the opposite.

Moved to Talk:Mick Philpott pending any consensus, to avoid double posting. Suara Gondang (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As this us a separate article and content will need amending accordingly then there must be discussion here. As new information is being released after the judgement and sentencing of the three, the information is already looking dated. For instance the talk, probably promoted by Mick Philpott himself that he made valiant attempts to save his children should be balanced with comments by witnesses as seen on "Philpott House Fire: The Truth" channel 5, 2 April 2013 21:00 - 22:00, that on fact the opposite us true, he was seen to make no effort at all, therefore this article should be reviewed and updated in line with facts 92.40.253.206 (talk) 21:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not merge the article until consensus. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

...and please discuss merger at Talk:Mick Philpott and not here. Widefox; talk 12:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Motive?

What was Philpott's motive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.48.245.37 (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 August 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to 2012 Derby arson attack. Per discussion consensus. (non-admin closure) — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 19:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Allenton house fire → Derby house fire – Very few non-local sources refer to it as the Allenton house fire. The vast majority of non-locals haven't heard of Allenton. As the lead states, the house wasn't in Allenton. Therefore the current title is both incorrect & not the common name. Although this isn't the only house fire that has occurred in Derby, it's the only notable one. If disambiguation is needed, it should be at 2012 Derby house fire. Jim Michael (talk) 10:55, 9 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. No such user (talk) 11:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose proposed move to Derby house fire, although I am open to the idea of supporting a move away from Allenton house fire. It's too generic and potentially ambiguous to just refer to it as the "derby" house fire, even though it was a particularly notable one at the time. I would be more inclined to look at either 2012 Derby house fire as suggested or alternatively, Philpott house fire which makes it very specific and not ambiguous. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed. Support move to 2012 Derby arson attack. Most sources do indeed refer to it as being in Derby. Adding a year and renaming it narrows it down. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Each of us wants a different title, but we all want to remove Allenton. That's important because it didn't happen there & because it's not part of the common name, due to the different areas of Derby not being known to the vast majority of non-locals. Any of the titles suggested here are better than one which includes the incorrect Allenton. Jim Michael (talk) 07:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as proposed. Support move to 2012 Derby arson attack only acceptable title. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll agree to that title; my main aim is to remove the incorrect Allenton from the title. Jim Michael (talk) 14:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.