Talk:All the world's a stage

Redirect new page

Should All the worlds a stage be created and then redirected to this page? After all...not everyone knows punctuation. I, for one, had to search to find this page.

I would do it, but I don't know how...or if I should.

Cymbalta 04:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, great idea. If you don't know how to create a page, just red link it and click it to edit. To make Page 1 redirect to Page 2, just edit Page 1 and type #REDIRECT [[Title of Page 2]]. VolatileChemical 07:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merger

I move All the world's a stage be merged with Seven ages of man. If I must supply a reason, let it only be that they are the exact same things. VolatileChemical 07:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know this isn't about Merger, but I don't know how to start a new topic about this page. I thought it would be cool to add a section with cultural references to the seven ages of man/ all the world's a stage, as I've noticed it in several songs, and I'd be curious to see what people could come up with. I was just going to add it, but once again, I don't know how to add a new topic. I looked in the "how to edit wikipedia articles" etc. but couldn't figure it out.

Just type two equal signs (==) before and after the name of your section's title to make it a title, and then you write your paragraph under that. Hope that helps. VolatileChemical 08:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they should be merged.--Alabamaboy 14:14, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another point of view

My opinion would be to just create and add it to the "see also" section, or maybe add it as a subtitle; it's actually different even though they are in the same speech. The two parts are referred to as separate in most cases as they are both famous on their own. I just put this in because it could be confusing if someone's looking for one and gets redirected to the other.

BTW: this is off topic, but very cool usernames guys!

74.32.123.81 02:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't merge it - I didn't know where the "seven ages of man" quote came from and just searched for it - up it sprang, not the only one of course, but I like wikipedia, it is so eclectic and merging this really goes against the grain.

80.6.190.112 13:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)my first post to wiki - Mo Hall 13:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, they shouldn't be merged. The seven ages of man could apply to a variety of things such as Hermetic philosophy. This is a specific subset of Seven Ages of Man which as the above user states is famous in its own right.Purestgreen 10:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Attribute Text

Please could the original poster state what edition/folio the speech comes from. The text differs slightly between versions which is clearly important for scansion and for actors.Purestgreen 11:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In limerick

The best reference to a specific location I can find offhand is at http://www.langston.com/Fun_People/1998/1998AEN.html. I'll try and find it next week, if nobody else does sooner. --Quiddity 07:12, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Quiddity (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Extraneous Monologue

Not sure if this is undergoing some editing and I assume it is an oversight but the monologue is repeated twice. I shall attempt to remove one but I am not technical. If it exceeds my ability I will simply leave it be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.254.104 (talk) 22:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the text using the edit button. If this is for some reason incorrect please accept my sincere apologies - this is not vandalism and was performed reluctantly and with the best of intentions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.254.104 (talk) 22:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have opened an account since writing this 'extraneous monologue' section and removing the relevant superfluous text. I feel it is only proper return and sign off on the changes made. Morganautt (talk) 02:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Influences

Should there be a section detailing the origins of the metaphor of the world as a stage? It's in Erasmus' Praise of Folly, as well as in a fragment of Petronius. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.76.161.124 (talk) 16:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there should be. Please contribute it. 70.18.33.240 (talk) 00:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Larry Siegel[reply]

What about Democritus??? --Terminallyuncool2 (talk) 18:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Soliloquy???

Why is it listed as a soliloquy, when its a monologue, even when you click on the link it redirects to a monlogue? It should be changed, having it like that is confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.61.186 (talk) 18:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Use in other works?

Shakespeare used the idea of all of the world being a stage in his other work, The Merchant of Venice "I hold the world but as the world, Gratiano; A stage where every man must play a part, And mine a sad one. " - Act 1, Scene 1

shouldn't it be included in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.166.157.232 (talk) 04:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i like the poem because it was so interesting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.19.9 (talk) 05:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This idea of reality as a stage and as people as players is one of the main themes of Hamlet. This is an important parallel, that maybe should be touched on in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.117.166.131 (talk) 18:09, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Limerick?

Is the limerick part in the article really relevant? I believe it isn't at all, it does not contribute any further knowledge nor understanding regarding the monologue, and thus it should be deleted. It's really not encyclopedic at all to me.201.220.233.86 (talk) 07:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC)Nico[reply]

The limerick is part of the "critical commentary" on this piece of literary history. See this diff for the last time it was included. In my opinion it is an interesting and useful mnemonic for the seven ages, and it is from a field-relevant author, and published in a reliable source. I object to the removal of the full-limerick (particularly because the original citation is now partly behind a paywall), but will not replace it unless someone else agrees. —Quiddity (talk) 18:49, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Summary pointless?

The summary seems to just re-hash what is essentially a simple monologue. Is it needed. Should it be refined? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.165.92.104 (talk) 15:58, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to say the same thing. I could see it possibly being of use if people can't quite decipher some of the Shakespearean language, but for that purpose I think it would be better placed side-by-side with the original. 122.151.143.193 (talk) 00:29, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pantaloon??

"Pantaloon" appears in current revision's introduction as one of the seven ages of man according to Shakespeare. Sounds to me like vandalism, but I hesitated to remove it since it has been there for a long time... josei (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I don't think it's vandalism. I think pantaloon is the sixth age of man.

According to :

http://poetry.rapgenius.com/William-shakespeare-the-seven-ages-of-man-lyrics#note-1783319

pantaloon can refer to a character in the Commedia del Arte, who was always victim of tricks;

or

pantaloon can also refer to a garment

Mariiwakura (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Juvenal

I cannot recall Juvenal saying anything like the words we "quote" here. His words were: natio comoeda est, loosely translated as a simple insult: "Greeks are a nation of comedians", with no mention of the country as a theater. This cultural reference was introduced during the modern translation into English, and should not be used here as an example of the Juvenal's writing. --Викидим (talk) 14:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your point is WP:OR. Have you read what the provided source, Dorothy Wender, writes? Until you do and verify that the quotation is wrong, I suggest you restore the passage. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I did read the source (here is the page for your reference). P. 138 contains an English translation of the Satire 3 with no meaningful comments by Dorothy Wender. Therefore, the OR actually was contained in the text I have deleted: someone mistook the words of the translator (who was clearly alluding to the more familiar Shakespeare) for the words of Juvenal himself. My edit thus had removed the OR, not introduced one :-) --Викидим (talk) 16:58, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Wender's translation is rather liberal, and, as you suggest, seems informed by the Bard, although my dictionary sees comoedus as an actor (cf. French fr:comédien and the old meaning of fr:comédie, and the Greek κωμῳδία refers to theatre/spectacle, not humour.) Still, it's very hard on Wikipedia to argue against sources (and she was quoted correctly, although not verbatim) and "verifiability over truth" can lead to some strange results. Anyway, I agree that removing that section was warranted. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:28, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your interpretation of comoeda here. My reading of it was colored by some other available translations; I am not good in Latin. --Викидим (talk) 07:08, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Omar Khayyam

As a Persian language native , that was interesting for me that one of the poems of Omar Khayyam is almost word by word is the same to "All the world's a stage" poem !" We are the puppets, and the Heaven is our puppeteer ,This is the truth and not just a figure of speech.For a while we act out our part on this stage;then one by one we return to the box of doom." Edward Fitzgerald free translation of that poem is : Tis all a Chequer-board of nights and days ,Where Destiny with men for Pieces plays:,Hither and thither moves, and mates,and slays, And one by one back in the closet lays. Alborz Fallah (talk) 07:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]