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All the Way (Eddie Vedder song) GA Review

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--Efe (talk) 06:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

The problem of this article is that there are lots of unnecessary info. It doesn't help the readers increase their understanding about the song. I'm afraid it fails to meet criterion 3b. --Efe (talk) 07:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I stand by this article and will take the article to WP:GAR if you don't feel it is up to snuff. However, I have responded to several of your points.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Its up to you. But for now, let's settle what we can settle. I'll take someone to take a look in. Maybe a second opinion? --Efe (talk) 11:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Additional comments, and final

Since the above comments are not yet fully addressed, I can still see some parts that tend to be off-topic. Forget the above Tony.

  • "The solo tour had originally begun in Vancouver, British Columbia in Canada at The Centre on April 2, 2008.[12][13] This tour was Vedder's first solo tour.[14][13]"
    • This is an interesting fact that I dug up. I would accept second opinions on its propriety in the article. I don't think it is just irrelevant drivel, but it is slightly off topic. There are times on WP, where you have information that should be WP:PRESERVEd and the exact proper location does not have an article. I think this may be one of those times. I do not think this particular tour is WP:N in terms of a dedicated article. The info I present here should be PRESERVEd.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 12:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, that guideline does says that important facts should be preserved but the line he started the tour, and ends the tour, is too detailed. The only stuff that I can see closely relevant is the second sentence: "Vedder performed at the Auditorium Theatre on August 21 and August 22, 2008 on a three-week extension of his solo tour that began in Boston, Massachusetts at the Boston Opera House and ended in Chicago." which is a supporting fact to the information of the song which is Vedder's performance. But the line: "The solo tour had originally begun in Vancouver, British Columbia in Canada at The Centre on April 2, 2008. This tour was Vedder's first solo tour." is indeed an but additional fact to his tour. Well, it his criterion 3b: "it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail". --Efe (talk) 12:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • If saying the song was performed at a concert that was part of a tour is relevant certainly a show that was part of a tour that was his first solo tour should be fully contextualized. If it were a random tour just the concert would be relevant. When I see this information I think of Sting and noting/contextualizing his first solo tour is a big deal.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "On August 3, 2007, one day after "All the Way" was premiered live, Vedder performed "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" during the seventh-inning stretch at Wrigley Field for the fourth time and threw out the first pitch for the first time. Vedder's band, Pearl Jam, was in Chicago that week to perform at Lollapalooza,[8] where the band was the headlining act for the three day festival that ended on August 5, 2007.[10]"
    • Again, I feel this adds further color to the Vedder-Cubs relationship. It provides context to the primary subject. People may want to know why he was in Chicago.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 12:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ok, lets chop this: "Vedder wrote "All the Way" the night before the camp started and first performed it at Pearl Jam's August 2, 2007 concert at The Vic Theater in Chicago with Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood and other Cubs players in attendance.[5][9] On August 3, 2007, one day after "All the Way" was premiered live, Vedder performed "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" during the seventh-inning stretch at Wrigley Field for the fourth time and threw out the first pitch for the first time. Vedder's band, Pearl Jam, was in Chicago that week to perform at Lollapalooza,[8] where the band was the headlining act for the three day festival that ended on August 5, 2007.[10]" Do you mean the highlighted line supports the first line of this quoted paragraph? What is the relevance of Vedder performing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" and his first pitch? --Efe (talk) 12:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Listeners are encouraged to compare the song to Goodman's "Go, Cubs, Go".[27]" --> There's something wrong with this. --Efe (talk) 12:25, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion Needed I have been arguing with my co-author on the placement of the hatnote. I have argued that I prefer the infobox to start on the level of the hatnote but he wants it to start at the level of the text. Basically, we are arguing about whether {{otheruses4}} should come before {{Infobox Single}}. I would like the infobox to be first because the Auditorium image will line up better at the high resolution viewing (I view at 1680x1050). Do you have an opinion?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WP:LEAD#Content of the lead says the hatnote should be placed aboe the infobox. Giggy (talk) 12:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Efe asked me to comment here. I mostly agree with Tony/-5-. This isn't a particularly long article, so any information that adds context, or even acts as a cool tidbit of (relevant) trivia, is welcome if sourceable, IMO. In the discussions above it's often argued that the stuff Efe is asking to be removed does add understanding, and thus should stay. I generally agree. Giggy (talk) 12:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have passed the article because I'll be out for two days. Congrats. BTW, please adress the remaining comment of mine bout the line "Listeners are encouraged to compare the song to Goodman's "Go, Cubs, Go". Thanks. --Efe (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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