Talk:Alice H. Parker

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Hello, I have just reviewed your article draft in your sandbox. It looks like you are off to a great start! As a suggestion, I would add more information if possible and cite my sources. Tsess003 (talk) 01:54, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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While the subject is actually worthwhile...

...this article really isn’t. It is written by someone who appears to believe that your average urbanite chopped wood for his (or her...) fireplace in 1918 as the only choice available...at least that seems to be their belief in the first few paragraphs.

There are a good many articles on wiki already that mistake patents for minor improvements in existing technology for major innovations. We don’t need one more. Qwirkle (talk) 06:37, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Death date

Is death date verifiably 1920? That would make her only 25 as of her death. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:33, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As with so much of this, there are. very few useful sources. One of the sets of dates floating around on the various glurge sites conflates her with a woman from Vermont, for instance. Qwirkle (talk) 17:41, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is sourced to something that claims she invented central heating...80 years before her birth, give or take

Garbage in, garbage out. Qwirkle (talk) 03:34, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the part claiming that she created central heating, so your complaint no longer justifies the tag)

No. The source still vectors absolute nonsense. So, you believe you can pick out just the facts you like, like a bird winkling the better parts out of a horse apple? Qwirkle (talk) 04:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You continue to make bizarre accusations without providing any specific evidence. Again, if you don't approve of a source you are free to remove it. And it seems you have been doing so. So why belabour the point? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:54, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do we really have to edit war over a stub tag?

The point of stub tags is to organize articles so people can improve them. {{US-engineer-stub}} is the closest one I could find. Why remove it? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 05:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It misrepresents the subject in a way that could mislead the reader. Since this article, like other woozle effect-plagued pieces, is especially prone to citogenesis, that is an especially bad thing. Qwirkle (talk) 05:59, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, it doesn't, because it says she was an inventor, which is true. Once again, you imply without any evidence that this article is some sort of hoax. Its subject has been mentioned in books going back decades. Whence your total confidence in its falsity? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 06:09, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not every engineer is an inventor, and not every inventor is an engineer, or even involved in engineering. If your point is that this is the closest you can get within wikipedia’s internal limitations...well, put it back. It’ll make an interesting experiment. Qwirkle (talk) 06:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The aspects of this story that are hoax-like? Ms. Parker did not invent central heating, which several sources used in the article claimed. She did not invent the idea of gas fuel, which several sources used in the article claimed. Fireplaces were not a common source of heating in the early twentieth century, wssuitac. Wood fuel even less so, wssuitac. Ms. Parker was not influential in heating system design, wssuitac.

This subject is really about folk belief, about errors in transmission- a writer’s version of the telephone game, and about woozle-hunting and citogenesis, like several other articles about people whose “notability” goes back to sloppy research by listicle writers and so forth. Qwirkle (talk) 06:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Qwirkle, Stop removing content and citations. This is the second article on a notable woman inventor where you are engaging in repeated destructive editing. Netherzone (talk) 20:06, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree. There are way too many questions.

If she went to Howard University and graduated, why is she just a cook?

If she is a cook, how did she come up with the idea of a gas furnace? Did she see some correlation in how gas reacted as she used it to cook food and came up with the idea then? Many a theory/invention started that way

If she did this great thing, why are people more focused on her race than her engineering theories and skill? Sabinal17 (talk) 21:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Honors section

Hello all, I have added a new section to the article for Honors, and have added that she is a 2019 honoree of the National Society of Black Physicists, and some information from their profile on her.^[1] Netherzone (talk) 17:53, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Alice H. Parker". The National Society of Black Physicists. Retrieved 18 November 2020.

@Qwirkle: stop removing content and citations. Netherzone (talk) 20:12, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The citation, if you want to dignify as such, is blatantly inaccurate, as the next section down makes clear. Qwirkle (talk) 20:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Natural gas prior art

Took 2 minutes an 15 seconds, give or take. Qwirkle (talk) 19:01, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Qwirkle, this is WP:OR. Stop editing based off of it and focus on secondary sources, as Wikipedia policy requires. If reliable secondary sources report a fact, and it is due weight in the coverage of the subject, then we should include it, regardless of whatever other research you happen to have done. If you have a reliable secondary source that talks about Parker or her inventing, then we can cover it in addition, but you should not remove content that your original research disagrees with. Gbear605 (talk) 16:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Heating systems

gas furnaces and heaters existed before this and we have many sources. Even full gas heating systems. Thos is just a patent of already existimg systems. It was not even used, but the other ones were. This article gives this woman far to much credit for patenting other people's inventions Meandmynine (talk) 10:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image

https://web.archive.org/web/20200521065941im_/https://www.nsbp.org/images/BMH-images/alice-parker.png All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

[NSBF-1] "Alice H. Parker". The National Society of Black Physicists. Retrieved 18 November 2020.

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