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@M.Bitton , @Skitash the source provided on Ethnic groups [4] mentions Arab-Amazigh 99% and European Descent 1%. there is no mention of 85% and 15% numbers. please proceed to fact check this source. then make the appropriate changes Potymkin (talk) 09:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Note : "although almost all Algerians are Amazigh in origin and not Arab, only a minority identify themselves as primarily Amazigh, about 15% of the total population; these people live mostly in the mountainous region of Kabylie east of Algiers and in several other communities; the Amazigh are also Muslim but identify with their Amazigh rather than Arab cultural heritage; some Amazigh have long agitated, sometimes violently, for autonomy; the government is unlikely to grant autonomy but has officially recognized Amazigh languages and introduced them into public schools".
the source mentions that Almost ALL algerians are Amazigh in origin and not arab, the number 85% Arab provided is considered original research by wikipedia.
the Ethnic composition of Algeria should state one of the following :
- Arab-Amazigh (99%) | Primarily Amazigh (15%) | European (less than 1%)
- Arab Amazigh 99%, (of which15% identify as Primarily Amazigh) | European (less than 1%)
the conclusion reached that Algerians are 85% arab is not included in the source provided.
If the source groups both Arabs and Berbers into a single 99% figure and specifies that only "about 15%" of those identify as Berber, what do you think the remaining 84% identifies as? Reliable sources consistently indicate that the Arab percentage ranges from 75% to 80% to 85%. Nothing more, nothing less. Skitash (talk) 11:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
do not ignore the part of the source that says "although almost all Algerians are Amazigh in origin and not Arab" I think it is not up to you to claim the opposite and make up numbers such as 85%.
please choose one of the revisions from the source. otherwise change the source all together to a more reliable one. Potymkin (talk) 12:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
due to the uncivil manner the conversation has come down to, I have taken the necessary wikipedia protocol to open a dispute resolution case on the matter with a third party. you have been informed. Potymkin (talk) 12:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
I agree the source clearly says 99% Arab-Berber 1% Europeans.15% of them actually feel Amazigh.
Everything else is original work (WP:NOR) and personal deduction that the 85% must be Arab. Other sources give different categories (Arabized Berbers) etc... Monsieur Patillo (talk) 20:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Arab Amazigh 99%, (of which15% identify as Primarily Amazigh) | European (less than 1%)
We need to remove ethnic origins stuff in the lead as with other random stats..... Best to follow the example of our FA and GA articles... WP:COUNTRYLEAD. Will cleanup lead once you guys have figured all this out. Moxy🍁 20:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
@Moxy I hope when you are able you can immediately proceed to remove the Ethnic stats and other random information for good , this will keep things clean and without issues for all parties involved. this is in fact a great suggestion from your part and you have my absolute vote on this suggestion ! Potymkin (talk) 22:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
I will take a look ...but in my view it's not just a matter of some removal but a whole rewrite. Let's also ping @Nikkimaria:.....she the master of country lead cleanups and maintains many of our FA and GA country articles. Sorry Nikkimaria.... I'm always calling on you for things of this nature. That said will take a look tomorrow perhaps. Moxy🍁 22:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
I've asked to lock this page up to prevent more edit wars and subsequent blocks of editors.... revision may have to be done here prior to implementation. Moxy🍁 22:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm agree too with Moxy proposal. and first discuss acceptable sources and writing. apart from the figures, it is also necessary to explain the categories so as not to mislead the reader. For example Britanica explains: « Arab invasions in the 8th and 11th centuries brought only limited numbers of new people to the region but resulted in the extensive Arabization and Islamization of the indigenous Amazigh population. ».Monsieur Patillo (talk) 23:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
I've taken a stab at reorganizing the lead; generally as Moxy indicates detailed stats should be discussed in the body. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria Thank you for taking steps to further improve the algeria talk page, I hope you get to remove the ethnicity stat and other useless stats from the Algeria article as @Moxy suggested. I greatly appreciate both of your inputs on the matter and your action to further improve wikipedia articles and keep them free of ambiguity. Potymkin (talk) 22:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
All for not...O well. Page editors should realy try to take the advice of longtime FA and GA writers. Moxy🍁 12:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
