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This reads like someone's Marxist theory homework. I'm a native English speaker, and I cannot parse that second paragraph. Also, any mention of colonialism and Palestinians should be balanced against the expulsions and colonialism against the indigenous Israelite population of Israel. 176.12.178.30 (talk) 11:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

January 2024

Since an editor seems to think that's it's okay to cherry pick what was said by a living person (clearly to push this POV), I will note here that should they insist on doing so (adding content that not only cherry picked, but also irrelevant the non existing relations between the two countries), I will make sure to cite everything that the subject has said (especially about the Genocide that is being committed by Israel, the South African initiative, etc). M.Bitton (talk) 18:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This edit was entirely factual and sourced. It exclusively reflects official statements by an Algerian minister at an official UN meeting. It has direct and significant implications on the state of Algeria-Israel relations, the topic of this article. I do not imply that Algeria views Israel favorably. It may be good to add additional context about the acts that triggered this apparent change in stance, and I invite you to do so if you see fit. However, you should not be undoing my edit. The facts in this edit are not in dispute, and their relevance to the topic of the article does not appear to be in dispute either. Therefore there is absolutely no reason to revert my edit. Nrosenblum (talk) 02:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citations need to be discussed with second reliable sources. We cannot just add every citation from a foreign minister said in a YouTube video (which is not an acceptable source). We need to add factual information about the whole relations. Riad Salih (talk) 03:47, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nrosenblum:, until you have extended confirmed permissions, you should avoid editing articles in relation to the Arab Israeli conflict. You can propose edits on talk pages instead. You do not have to follow this advice, but it would be a wise choice.

I will add some guidelines to your talk page regarding sourcing; in general using a secondary source is strongly preferred in addition to a primary source (if there is one). I added a secondary source for the quote. I added in the quote because another experienced editor endorsed the addition [1] and I happen to believe it was a good addition.

Please read the guidelines I leave on your talk page. // Timothy :: talk 05:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In case you missed it: there are two experienced editors who disagree and an ongoing so-called RfC, therefore, no consensus for it. M.Bitton (talk) 12:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1) It's irrelevant to the non-existent relations between the two countries. 2) It's cherry picked to push your POV. 3) There is no change in stance and there won't be one until the Algerian government says so (obviously, there are plenty of RS that say the exact opposite of what believe). M.Bitton (talk) 12:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A statement from the Algerian Foreign Minister, at the United Nations, about the two state solution, being made at a time when this issue is at the forefront of international concern, is a meaningful addition to an article about Algerian-Israeli relations. I added a secondary source to the existing primary source. It passes WEIGHT. // Timothy :: talk 05:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you decided to entertain the POV of an SPA who wants to inject PIA into this article, you wait until there is consensus to do so. If and when that's done, we'll quote everything (with no cherry picking). M.Bitton (talk) 11:06, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As M.Bitton correctly pointed out above, the user proposing the change seems to be pushing a POV by selectively quoting a living person and omitting everything else they have said regarding related matters. The Algerian government has not expressed any stance on a two-state solution and does not even recognize Israel as a legitimate state. Skitash (talk) 13:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]