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Discussion of support and opposition on Pay raises for Congress

@Ruhrob, you asked why the sentence pertaining to Kevin McCarthy is related to the topic. It is related because it gives context there is some opposite party support for her position as well as same party opposition for her position. By removing the supporting section and leaving the opposing section, it creates a false balance. Ward20 (talk) 19:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"The last time the House censured a lawmaker" line

The final sentence of the section "Online harassment from Paul Gosar" states:

> The last time the House censured a lawmaker was in 2010.

However now that Rashida Tlaib has been censured in 2023, this statement is out of date. I was thinking about changing it to "The previous time [...]" and perhaps that would merit a citation to Tlaib's censure? Generally I would advocate for avoiding terminology like this that can become out of date.

Perhaps the entire sentence can be removed, it feels like it is adding spin by emphasizing the infrequent rate of censures in the House of Representatives. Razziabuissa (talk) 14:02, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

@Mr.govjames: Hello, what is the reason for your revert here? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez&diff=prev&oldid=1213895046 FMSky (talk) 22:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Left-wing"

Are phrases like "left wing" normally included in lead sentences of articles about members of Congress? It's not in, for example, Bernie Sanders' article. Trivialist (talk) 18:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we also include it in basically every right-leaning person's biography --FMSky (talk) 19:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that that's true. We include it on a few firebrands but not on all of them (for example, it's absent from Donald Trump. I noticed that when you added it you compared her to Marjorie Taylor Greene, but I'm not sure they're comparable in terms of the coverage she received. In any case, this gets to the main issue, which is that we shouldn't decide things like this based on WP:FALSEBALANCE but based on what the sources say in each case - is AOC typically referred to as left-wing in coverage? --Aquillion (talk) 19:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez#Political_positions --FMSky (talk) 19:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing there isn't great for putting this in the lead. Almost everything in the "far-left" citation bundle is brief attributed quotes or things that don't actually describe her personally as far-left; and it also labels her as progressive, with no clear explanation for why you went with "left-wing". And of course the rest of the section goes into a lot more detail, with more in-depth sources that generally don't use those terms. Glancing over the history, you've been pretty aggressive about reverting this back into the lead every time it's removed, given that it hasn't really been discussed and reflects only a single recently-added line in the body. In fact, the entire sentence you added there is weird - it pulls a bunch of brief mentions out of context to provide a list of terms that aren't really given much focus in any one piece of coverage, when we already had a much more in-depth discussion of her politics. If you compare her to MTG (the article that seems to have prompted this on your end, though, I'll reiterate, that's really WP:FALSEBALANCE), there's repeated references throughout the article with much more in-depth sourcing; and it's window]] for why that is. much easier to find in-depth sources discussing MTG's connection the far-right in general and discussing it in ways that make it central to her notability. --Aquillion (talk) 19:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shes the definition of a leftist, see for example here: https://www.nydailynews.com/2019/07/05/joe-biden-dismisses-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-as-brilliant-but-too-far-left/

Or here "the famous face of the American far left" https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/06/01/politics-in-the-bronx-borough-is-a-world-away-from-manhattan-and-trump-s-legal-troubles_6673408_4.html

"the most prominent voice of the far-left "Squad"" https://thehill.com/homenews/house/594183-ocasio-cortez-laments-sh-show-of-congress/

If you dont know her please sit this one out -FMSky (talk) 20:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yea! I mean if it is ok to call MTG “FAR RIGHT” on her entry, AOC should be “FAR LEFT”! Not just left 152.86.241.175 (talk) 05:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Far-left" would be an example of false symmetry and United States-specific parochialism in a global encyclopedia. Unless there is a Maoist caucus in Congress, there are no far-left representatives. The left in the United States would be leftish centrists in most of the rest of the world. Please read Overton window for why that is. Acroterion (talk) 13:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Left-wing is a fairly broad description that provides little information for readers. Referring to AOC as a Democrat already tells us that she is to the left of the U.S. center, if that is the definition of left-wing in the U.S. Best leave it out.

Comparing her with MTG is a false balance. In France, AOC would probably be in the center-left Socialist Party, while MTG would be in the far right National Rally. TFD (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She is on the right-wing of an organization that was the "Centrist" faction of the historic Socialist Party of America. While the majority of the DSA has committed itself to leaving the Democratic Party at some indeterminate time, AOC does not appear to share this position. The DSA also recently rescinded its endorsement of her due to her positions on Israel/Palestine.

The late congressman Ron Dellums was a member and vice-chair of the DSA and he is not labelled as "left-wing" in the introduction of his article. He is described as a socialist in the 2nd paragraph. That AOC has called herself a Democratic Socialist and joined DSA is easily verifiable, that this makes her left-wing or far-left is much more subjective. See this article by another DSA member describing her as moving increasingly away from left-wing positions. Chilltherevolutionist (talk) 17:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

subheadings under "U.S. House of Representatives"

the only subheading is "elections", but lines like "media coverage" and "endorsements" seem to be intended to be subheadings, but just aren't. if anyone knows whether this is intended or not, please answer, I didn't want to just edit it, because the article has the warning label 86.214.184.42 (talk) 21:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other political affiliations

In previous discussion, consensus overwhelmingly supported adding this section of the infobox, because it's pertinent and highly reported. 2019 discussion. I believe the same.

@Therequiembellishere: @Iallwayscomeback123: SocDoneLeft (talk) 05:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The DSA is not a party, it's a nonprofit organization no matter how hard some people wish and hope and pray that it is, and until they make legal steps to do so, and if/when AOC makes the decision to leave the Democratic Party and register as a DSA voter/candidate for office, it will remain inappropriate and false to call it "other political affiliations." We should not be going down a rabbit hole where every semi-official grouping gets listed as nauseam in infoboxes because someone wants to shove that Josh Gottheimer is a "Blue Dog+NewDem+Problem Solver". Describe her political positions and organizational membership in the DSA in the article where it belongs. Same holds for the WFP, which just throws an array of Dems their ballot line and/or endorsement off and on various election cycles but does NOT indicate such Dems are political party member of the WFP (and they quite literally have never been in NY). So it's highly inappropriate and even more incorrect to list that under "other" in the infobox since it's objectively untrue. Again, mention the connection in the text and of course break down the vote allocation in her electoral history where it belongs. Both DSA and WFP in the infobox is misleading and undue weight. Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove left wing

Other members of Congress with even more left wing positons like Rashida Tlaib Cori Bush Ilhan Omar Bernie Sanders aren't labeled as left wing yet she is. Why not just say she is an American politician? Randomuser795 (talk) 17:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree.The discussion came up before and there was no consensus to call her left wing or far left. TFD (talk) 00:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Four Deuces just call her a politician like every other politician except a select few Randomuser795 (talk) 02:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it per this discussion and the above; it seems to have been added in an effort to force WP:FALSEBALANCE (the editor who added it has focused heavily on comparing her to Marjorie Taylor Greene) but as far as I can tell no discussions ever producing a consensus for inclusion. It's not a primary focus of coverage about her, nor is it what she's most famous for; the coverage about her doesn't really focus on one particular term in the sense that it implies. --Aquillion (talk) 03:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aquillion Thank you a lot! Randomuser795 (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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At the end of the third paragraph of the article, change: “She was reelected in the 2020 and 2022 elections.” to “She was reelected in the 2020, 2022, and 2024 elections.”

“2024” presumably also being hyperlinked to the “2024 United States House of Representatives elections in New York” Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York Algorithm-defined fantasy girl (talk) 20:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]