Talk:Album/Archive 1

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the traditional format

this article certainly hints that albums (other than mix cd's and best of cd's, although my case sometimes works for best of albums)..generally has a coherent structure, or way of arranging music, a certain mood, etc. many bands say they like making an "album" rather than a collection of songs too. my question is, why? is there any information,such as books, articles, out there about why this works well, maybe psychologically or something? Ive seen articles about the demise of the album structure due to the digital age, where some bands don't release albums, but songs, or handfuls of songs at a time.. this could also be a section on this article.. which still needs to be organized into sections (history, modern sturcture, criticism of, etc) Nnnudibranch 05:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Compact disc length claims

This article claims that the compact disc running time was later extended to 80 minutes (from an original 74). I don't think this is correct. Certainly later CD-R/CD-RWs had large enough capacities to support around 80 minutes of music, but I believe that all commercial music CDs (article is really about commercially produced albums of music) continued to support the Red Book CD-Audio standard, which was not modified to support 80 minute discs. Anyone? HandsOfBlue (talk) 00:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

You are correct. See Red_Book_(audio_CD_standard). —Shübop "Shada Ng" Âlang 00:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

From the Compact Disc article, in the section called "High Capacity Recordable CD: "compared to about 80 minutes for Red Book audio"; see also the Manufacturing tolerances section which does not mention the red book specifically. Either a later updated red book standard allowed 80 minutes, or the CD article is wrong and/or misleading. I don't know which it is, but I can confirm that commercial CDs with more than 74 minutes are not uncommon, and generally bear the Compact Disc logo. I did a quick web search, and found several articles about red book standards which mention the 74 minute limit, with no mention of an updated red book. So I really don't know what to believe. More research is required; we should try to get the WP articles correct and consistent. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think anyone would question whether the CD format allows for 80 minute length. There are of course recordable CDs available at 80 minutes, and even manufactured/replicated CDs can be created at that length - usually for an extra charge by the manufacturer. But I'm pretty sure that it's typically considered a sacrifice in the quality of the disc to do that. I agree there should be consistency among other articles, but I don't know that too fine a point should be put on this in this particular article, except that I would suggest changing it from the current "(compact discs originally ran to 74 minutes, later extended to 80 minutes)" to "(compact discs normally run 74 minutes, with occasional instances of 80 minutes)" to be more accurate. Most manufactured CDs are still of 74 minute length. —Shübop "Shada Ng" Âlang 02:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

My concern is the statement that CDs greater than 74 minutes are red book compliant, which is stated in one place, and refuted in another. I still can't find any source that indicates they would be compliant, and yet (as I understand it) if they are not, they should not have the "compact disc" logo, but they do. Maybe we need to consult an industry expert. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 06:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd say your concern is valid, but not really relevant to this article. This isn't a "Compact Disc" article. Just "album". So I think a generalization like I stated above would suffice. An article going into more detail about the requirements of the CD format would be the appropriate place for what you're talking about. —Shübop "Shada Ng" Âlang 01:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

number of tracks

It would be nice if the article mentioned the number of tracks a typical album has and perhaps a couple of notable exceptions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.153.179 (talk) 21:43, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Just a suggestion

The article mentions Pinhead Gunpowder as a band which has albums that regularly run under 25 minutes, however amongst Hardcore/Grindcore bands this is a common occurence. D.R.I. and Anal Cunt for example have both done albums shorter than 20 minutes, often with large numbers of songs such as the 110 song CD (Although Anal Cunt do tend to mess with the definition of a song). The large amount of songs included on records by hardcore/grindcore bands should perhaps also be noted. 58.161.121.200 (talk) 01:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

A dead format / art form?

What are album sales like this days? Falling to zero I would imagine. The short three to four minute popular song has surely proved it durability but the album? It's always been the case that albums where all the songs were equally good and essential were extremely rare and nowadays nobody bothers with the inferior songs on a album so the whole concept seems to have followed the symphony, the string quartet and the opera with recitative in Italian into musical history. Certainly I haven't bought an album recorded this century. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? Worth a mention in the article? SmokeyTheCat 08:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Given that most music is still released in album form, I don't really see your point, especially if based on your own personal buying habits and opinion, and broad generalizations. If you have some actual statistics of industry expert opinion that the album is "dead" that would be another story. —Shada Ng (talk | contribs) 19:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

No, sadly I have no statistics but I am trying to make a general point. Take an album like 'Wordshaker' by The Saturdays. Everyone knows the singles with their attendant vids on YouTube but who knows the rest of the album? Indeed I am curious to know who does buy albums like that these days. Surely nearly young people download the songs? Sorry, this is all a bit vague but I am writing in the hope of gaining knowledge on this. SmokeyTheCat 15:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Video album

There should be an article on the video albums. Examples: Tourfilm, Live by the Sea, The Robbie Williams Show - etc. etc. 77.99.231.37 (talk) 18:51, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Can you round up some reliable sources that discuss the topic? books.google.com is a good place to start looking. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 20:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Additional citations

Why, what, where, and how does this article need additional citations for verification? Hyacinth (talk) 07:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Almost all of the content is unsourced, so citations are needed throughout.--Michig (talk) 09:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

well

well dont do it there is many reason not to just leave it be — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.135.27.137 (talk) 20:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Merger with album

Whoever proposed the merger didn't create a section here, but let me just say: do it. There is no good reason for this topic to be sitting here on its own. It is better covered as a variety of Album - a variety which just happens to be the most common. --Matthew Proctor (talk) 00:09, 8 August 2013 (UTC)