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Good articleAlbert White (basketball) has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
August 29, 2008Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 28, 2008.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Albert White was the first person to lead the Missouri Tigers men's basketball team in rebounds, points, and assists in the same season?

GA Review

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Lead
  • "In high school, he was a Street & Smith, Parade, and McDonald's All-American and in college he became a first team All-Big 12 Conference player and CNN/Sports Illustrated Big 12 Player of the Year." I realise these are wikilinked, but it seems too much like jargon for the lead especially the first two lines. It would easily put people off from reading further.
High school
  • "In high school, he starred at Metro Detroit's Inkster High School," This seems to jump straight in without putting White's life in context. Even if you only add his date of birth and place of birth and say "He attended Inkster High School, ..." etc. I would suggest a brief re-write to open the main body of the article.
    • I don't have POB info.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I still think the first line could do with re-writing to essentially open up the main article. Even if it's only a minor re-write. It doesn't put the article in any context at the moment. Peanut4 (talk) 23:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • It is not really clear what you are asking me to do.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:46, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • If this was a full bio and you had more details, you would explain who White was, i.e. where and when born, parents, schooling and how he started his basketball career. These details will help towards FAC. However, since this is GA, not all these details are necessary. However, you still need to write the start of the bio to try best and explain who he was. The article currently jumps half-way through his life without any explanation. There are a couple of options.
          • 1) "Born XXX, White went to high school at XX school, where he played ..." or
          • 2) "White's basketball career started ..." Peanut4 (talk) 16:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • Both of the s above jump right to the NBA career. What is different about this one and those? Can we get a second opinion?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • Both Jordan and Russell are perfect. They explain how the men are, as well as the players they are. Jordan starts "Jordan was born in Brooklyn, New York, the son of Deloris (née Peoples), who worked in banking, James R. Jordan, Sr., an equipment supervisor." and Russell starts "Bill Russell was born to Charles and Katie Russell in West Monroe, Louisiana. West Monroe was strictly segregated, and the Russells often struggled with racism." I.e. they don't just jump into their career in the first line. All it needs is a simple change. Like I said this is GA not FA, so I'm not asking for an entire section, just a slight re-word, to start the article from his birth and explain where he went to school, since you've already listed it, rather than jump into how he started as a basketball player. Peanut4 (talk) 21:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
College
  • "White was implicated in early investigations of the University of Michigan basketball scandal for having accepted US$37,000" I think the latter part sounds a bit clunky, I would suggest " ... because he accepted US$37,000," I would also suggest splitting the sentence after $37,000. Although the two clauses are linked, there's nothing wrong with short sentences, and it would help to add impact to the charges being dropped against him.
  • "White went undrafted in the NBA draft in a year where the first four selections (Elton Brand, Steve Francis, Baron Davis, and Lamar Odom) also had declared with eligibility remaining and high schoolers Jonathan Bender and Leon Smith were drafted in the first round." I don't understnad this sentence.
General

A few things to do, but nothing substantial, so I'll put it on hold. Peanut4 (talk) 21:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

No worries about the final misunderstanding. I think this is now in a much better position than at the start of the GA process. It meets the GA criteria, and although the lead is perhaps a little too long, I would rather keep what is a good intro, and hope you can expand the main article. If you can find more information about his personal life, and make any other expansions, there is no reason you can't push this beyond the GA process. Peanut4 (talk) 22:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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