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Why is he at a name he was only known by for the first three years of his life? He should be at Alastair Windsor, 2nd Duke of Connaught and Strathearn, shouldn't he? john k 00:24, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

With all due respect to Gabbe, all of my reference books say that the 2nd Duke of Connaught lived from 1914 to 1943, not 1942. Is there a consensus one way or the other? EgbertW 23:11, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Title

This title suggests that he was "Prince Arthur" whilst Duke of Connaught and Strathearn. I know some sources say that he was never in fact legally deprived of his Royal style, and so was in fact what the title says he was, even though he was never called it during his lifetime, but that's not what the article says. If we're going to take a position here it should at least be a consistent one. Proteus (Talk) 22:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Macduff/MacDuff

This site gives the title as Macduff, as does the article on Duke of Fife. I'm amending the D to lower case through the whole article. Opera hat (talk) 23:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of Arms?

Can somebody explain me the logics behind his coat of arms?? It make no sense to me! Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 10:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Basically he quartered the Royal arms he got from his father with the arms of his mother who was an armorial heiress, that is to say that she was the last to bear those arms since there were no further heirs for them. That gave Alistair the right to quarter them with his paternal arms. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 11:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Request Move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 00:35, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alastair Windsor, 2nd Duke of Connaught and Strathearn → Alastair, 2nd Duke of Connaught and Strathearn — Only three sources call him Alastair Windsor [1]. More sources leave it out [2]. His cousin changed the house name to Windsor but using it as a surname is only a recent occurrence by his descendants.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 02:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Review of the above request move

I have (informally) asked the editor who recently moved this page for a review. I did so for the following two reasons: 1) All articles on this Wikipedia on British Peers include a surname in the article title. That goes for articles on peers and courtesy title holders called Windsor as well. Those members of the House of Windsor that do not have the title of HRH revert to the naming conventions for peers. See also the recent discussion on George Windsor, Earl of St Andrews. Also see these article titles: Alexander Windsor, Earl of Ulster, Claire Windsor, Countess of Ulster, Xan Windsor, Lord Culloden, Sylvana Windsor, Countess of St Andrews and Edward Windsor, Lord Downpatrick. For consistency I would think that it therefore should be 'Alastair Windsor, 2nd Duke of Connaught and Strathearn' as well. Also this seems to be the way to name this article per NCROY. 2) I can see hardly any discussion on the talk page in the section where the move was requested. Only a remark by the proposer of the move saying "— Only three sources call him Alastair Windsor [3]. More sources leave it out [4]". This reasoning shouldn't override Wikipedia policy. Also no one seems to have participated in the discussion further. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 18:55, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I feel Alastair should be an exception. He was Prince for most of his life and hardly if at all used the Windsor surname. And more sources don't use the name. If no one commented in the period that the request was made, it can be assumed no one opposed it..--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 19:03, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, he was a Prince from 1914 to 1917. That's hardly most of his life. As for the fact he didn't use the name Windsor a lot, I doubt any of the peers and courtesy peers called Windsor use it a lot. I just don't see why he in particular should stand out from the others. I don't think there's a very specific reason for random sources to leave out the surname. He's not such a well known entity in today's world that there could have been a specific thought about that. After all, peers often don't use their formal surnames. I know that no one opposed at the time, but it's caught my attention that some move discussions are relisted when participation hasn't been large. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 19:31, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Create another request with the reasons you have stated.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 03:55, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 06:04, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alastair, 2nd Duke of Connaught and Strathearn → Alastair Windsor, 2nd Duke of Connaught and Strathearn – For consistency with the article names of other peers and other peers that have the surname Windsor but are not HRH's. I've used this template because there has been a discussion before, see above. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:09, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aye DBD 23:34, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Hebel: Was the intent of this proposal to change the spelling of his given name from "Alastair" to "Alistair"? Jenks24 (talk) 13:19, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you User:Jenks24. No, that's just my lousy typing. Apologies for that.... Gerard von Hebel (talk) 17:42, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support. john k (talk) 20:53, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom, and per WP:NCPEER: "Members of the British peerage, whether hereditary peers or life peers, usually have their articles titled "Personal name, Ordinal (if appropriate) Peerage title", e.g. Alun Gwynne Jones, Baron Chalfont; Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington; Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:04, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - per nom. Tiggerjay (talk) 05:52, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Death cause

There is a differing account of his death in a book about the Royal Family during World War II (forgot its title and author), in that he was found dead in a (cold) room with a window open having apparently opened it to "be sick" after heavy drinking and that he was "dutifully reported 'Died on active service'. Anyone read it? If he had fallen out of a window, might he have sustained injuries? (The book was borrowed from library so unlikely to find it.) I have added a citation need against the alleged accident, not against the statement his death was due to hypothermia.Cloptonson (talk) 11:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Never actually a Prince

According to the National Archives, the King had intended to give Alastair the title of Prince - but various discussions took up so much time that the King changed his mind before he was given the title. So editing is required! ^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.69.143 (talk) 18:41, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

According to newspapers, etiquette books, and directories (including those listed in the article) he was given the title by descent. Great-grandchildren of the monarch used the style Highness as a matter of custom. It did not require a grant. DrKay (talk) 20:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We need to be careful here. As pointed out at https://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/prince_highness.htm, previous great-grandchildren were styled as Highness and princes and so was Alastair originally. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:31, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hope this is ok - as I feel an outsider on Wikipedia, whatever I do or say, I get criticised or told off! Its mentioned that Alastair "was never actually a Prince" ? If you look at his birth certificate on https://aroyalheraldry.weebly.com/blog/anomalies-part-two Alastair's gender is referred to as "PRINCE" (not male!) and looking through the British News Archive - it is clear that newspapers referred to him as "Prince Alastair of Connaught" whilst a child (pre-1917) - in the newspapers dated September 1914 for his christening - he is reported as PRINCE Alastair... and there are numerous other examples eg: Pall Mall Gazette, pg 4, dated 28 Aug 1914; The Graphic, pg 680, dated 2 Dec 1916 - just for starters. And I agree with the comment "Great-grandchildren of the monarch used the style 'Highness' as a matter of custom. It did not require a grant" - this is true and I dont understand this story of "George V was going to confirm his status" - the whole paragraph "House of Windsor" need amending as there are MANY errors. I would do it myself, but I am never happy amending large paragraphs as I end up in a row with an inflexible unhelpful "Wiki expert" !!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:1D0E:7000:5891:A53:982C:9C31 (talk) 17:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As the section is unsourced, I've cut it down. DrKay (talk) 19:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

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