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Requested move 04 April 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:13, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alan Turing Institute → The Alan Turing Institute – this is the legally established and correct name of the institute – Csseinterest (talk) 15:57, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Ebonelm (talk) 16:16, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: the use of "The" is only when it is used in the beginning of a sentence. It is only referred to as "Alan Turing Institute" in this government release (see here). In the Independent "the" is not used (see here). Again the ESPRC page does not capitalise "the" (see here) - expect of course when "the" is the first word in a sentence, however this is not evidence that this is the Institutes name. In the Guardian it is referred to as the "Alan Turing Institute for Data Science" (see here). Ebonelm (talk) 16:16, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: (ec) The guideline called WP:THE imposes strict standards on which articles include 'The' in their name. The fact that the institute prefers to be known that way doesn't decide the matter, per WP:OFFICIAL. Here is a UK government document which refers to the institute in running text without capitalizing 'the'. EdJohnston (talk) 16:36, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No need for the definite article. Legal names are irrelevant on Wikipedia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 20:21, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The guidelines clearly state that 'The' should be used if it is the "official or commonly used name or nickname of a group, sports team or company (e.g., The Beatles, The Invincibles, The Hershey Company), or another official or commonly used proper name (e.g., The Hague, The Crown)." In this case the sources cited by Ebonelm precede the formal creation of the Institute. Evidence is here http://uk-companies.biz/the-alan-turing-institute/company The use of 'The Alan Turing Institute' was specifically requested by the Turing family and disambiguates from http://www.alanturinginstitutealmere.nl Csseinterest (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:06, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Seems reasonable as the correct name (and likely the common name if used in journals and press reports). The same or a similar situation appears at Francis Crick Institute. Randy Kryn 13:49 5 April, 2015 (UTC)
Comment. Yes. It appears to me that the default position, absent an established usage (and noting that the Institute has only just been established) is the technically correct name, not a random and incorrect name. This is what the guidelines indicate but in any event the greater accuracy the better, surely?. -- Csseinterest (talk — Preceding undated comment added 14:00, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
From above: The greater the accuracy the better, surely? That sounds so simple but it's not as simple as that. We have this discussion fairly often, and to date the eventual consensus has always been that so far as Wikipedia article titles are concerned, an accurate title is one that reflects common usage, rather than official usage. Read WP:official names if you have not already done so. Now consensus can change but reopening that discussion is not to be taken lightly. Andrewa (talk) 01:48, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Tidy up significantly improves article! Thanks. Still keen to get the proper name established - turns out looking at history that removing The was an early edit. Any additional information that I can provide? -- Csseinterest (talk — Preceding undated comment added 14:00, 5 April 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.23.15.89 (talk) [reply]

Oppose. No compelling reason to ignore our style conventions in this instance (nor at Francis Crick Institute for that matter). Andrewa (talk) 01:42, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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