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BLP issue

I haven't read this article prior to today, but became aware of its existence when it was mentioned in an CfD discussion.

I am troubled by the sentence which starts,"Jones says he does not believe in significant human induced climate change ...." There is a reference following the sentence:

  • Maria Taylor (2014). Global Warming and Climate Change: What Australia knew and buried...then framed a new reality for the public. ANU Press. p. 107. ISBN 1925021912. The prominence of conservative commentators in print... has been matched by a troupe of radio talkback hosts, following John Laws and Alan Jones, who are hostile to climate science. By and large they are...a confusing and misinforming agent in the public discussion whose power has contributed to a disoriented public.

Presumably, the quote was selected to support the sentence. However, while some non-notable person alleges he is "hostile to climate science", that doesn't even allege he is a climate science denier (although I can understand why some might make the connection). More to the point, it is an assertion by someone what they think of Jones's position, and doesn't come close to supporting the assertion that he makes the claim himself. It may be that there are other sources to support this claim, but we even need to find sources to support the claim or change the claim to match what the source alleges.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

In addition, the reference was placed at the end of the sentence rather than the first clause. I see nothing in the reference to support the claim about his criticism of government policy. I suspect that latter claim is true but it's not supported. I considered editing the senates to remove the unsupported early clause, and asked for a citation needed for the second clause but I wasn't sure what to do with the existing reference which doesn't seem to support anything. I'll hold off a bit in the hope that someone will either identify some other section of the reference which supports one of the other two assertions or provide some other reference to support one of the two assertions.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:51, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Ten minutes late

The more I look, the more problems I find.

The political comments section mentions a disagreement about whether Julia Gillard made and broke an election pledge not to introduce a carbon tax. He says she made it and broke it, she disagrees. So far so good, but there's no answer in the article. Instead, it notes "He also criticised her for being 10 minutes late for his program.". Seriously? You introduce an allegation of a broken election pledge, and then include a complaint she showed up ten minutes late for an interview? On the Wikipedia:WEIGHT scale, how important is it that she was ten minutes late? Can we remove that fluff and include whether he was wrong to charge her with a broken pledge?--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:37, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Hi, I agree this article does have some referencing issues as you described in the previous break, however the statement is true even if that source doesn't explain that correctly. I will attempt to find a stronger reference at some point for it. Jones is a proud climate change denier, and is very influential within Australian commentary on the subject. In relation to the 'ten minutes late' entry, while I accept in isolation it is a bit of an unnecessary statement, within the context of that incident, I would argue it is relevant as the fact he made such a big deal about a minor delay (a delay which is commonplace for Australian politicians and media commitments) went further to the criticism of Jones regarding perceived hatred and condemnation from the media and wider public generally. I haven't had much to do with this article in the past admittedly, but I would be happy to help tidy it up when I can. User:Whats new?(talk) 01:19, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
I am not challenging the claim he stated she was 10 minutes late, I'm baffled that this is mentioned in an encyclopedia article. I don't follow Australia politics all that closely; perhaps it was a big deal in the context of an election but that needs to be established. As an outside reader of this article I see that someone ran for office, was interviewed by the subject and showed up 10 minutes late and he complained. Should we identify the type of beverage he drinks or the color of the tie he wore? In other words, why is this mentioned? I'd be interested in knowing whether his claim that she broke a pledge was a bogus charge or has been substantiated but that issue is unresolved in the article.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
@Sphilbrick: I understand what you're saying, and to answer your question in brief, she stated before the election a very well known (you could say infamous) quote "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead" [1] and did introduce the unpopular tax following her victory, however there is debate between pro and anti climate change groups and right V left leaning media outlets as to whether it was a broken promise [2] [3]. The ten minutes late charge was more a demonstration of perceived vile from Jones towards Gillard, which he notably made reference to in a prominent television interview [4]. -- User:Whats new?(talk) 01:50, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for filling me in. It seems to me that more detail on the quote you provided is about 100 times more important than some petulance he may have evinced regarding the late charge, but it's not really an either/or, if both deserve mention so be it.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
@Sphilbrick: You're welcome, and I don't disagree - the section could use some rewriting, additions and fresh references. -- User:Whats new?(talk) 02:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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Edit request - back surgeries

Could you please add the following to the "Health issues" section:

Jones had back surgery in November 2016 and neck operations which caused him to go off air for four months. In November 2018, Jones was hospitalised for severe back pain and again went off air.[1]

References

  1. ^ "Alan Jones off the air indefinitely, taken to hospital for back pain". SBS News. 13 November 2018. Retrieved 20 November 2018.

Thank you. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 02:26, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks, Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Why no discussion of his 1988 arrest?

It is relevant to his criticism of public figures. Robgas68 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

See Alan Jones (radio broadcaster)#Other cases. WWGB (talk) 00:18, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Year of birth

This ongoing silliness can surely be solved by looking at the Chris Masters source - "His rightful birthdate appears to be April 13, 1941..." This is supported by some impeccable logic and evidence, such as "School records show him starting at Acland Primary in 1946", and "If 1943 is correct, then when he started at teachers' college in 1959, Alan Jones was just 15", so not terribly likely. HiLo48 (talk) 05:55, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

This article unequivocally states his age as 79, making his year of birth 1941. I know a lot of his fans might object to the ABC as a source, but this is not the sort of thing it gets wrong. I have updated the article. HiLo48 (talk) 23:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Themes

Rather than listing ‘controversies’ randomly, these could perhaps be grouped by ‘theme’. Eg: –science denial (climate science, covid19) –inciting racism (Yunupingu, Dodson, Cronulla riots, China, ‘looking like a skunk’, N word) –misogyny (Gillard, Ardern) Errolhunt (talk) 00:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

London incident- currency symbol/link

The section entiltled "London incident" states that "the second charge was also later dropped, with Jones' lawyers winning ₤70 in costs". The symbol "₤" refers to, and links to the page for, the Italian Lira, instead of Pound Sterling, which uses the symbol "£". Can someone with appropriate authority please change this? (I do not)AlJenko98 (talk) 17:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2020

Change "At least five companies canceled advertising with Jones' 2GB radio show following complaints from customers" to "530 companies cancelled advertising with Jones' 2GB radio show following a consumer campaign by the Mad Fucking Witches which eventually let to Alan Jones announcing his retirement from 2GB."

Evidence: https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/alan-jones-resigns-after-nine-month-mad-witches-ad-boycott/12239326 Sammywench (talk) 03:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The offered source is a podcast hosted but ABC but the actual claims of the number of boycotting companies and the financial effects are anonymous "source claim" type statements. The offered source also does not take an explicit position on whether the boycott directly caused the retirement so implying it did would be WP:SYNTH. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 06:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Sammywench:, It is usually better to present follow-up evidence such as you emailed me on this talk page so that other users can view the sources and contribute. This is a collaborative project and neither I nor anyone else is individually the final arbiter of any particular claim in an article. You will probably want to read the Core Content Policies and the Biographies of Living Persons policy to better understand what kinds of claims can be made and what it takes to support them. Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. The Google spreadsheet is certainly not what we would consider a reliable source and the BLP policy mandates that we don't make claims sourced to such sources. Of the other sources you emailed me ([5], [6], [7], [8]), the only one that I would consider a RS for BLP purposes is the Sydney Morning Herald article. Everything that article could be used to support is already in the article so it doesn't add much, though. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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