Talk:Akashic records/Archive 1

Archive 1

Objection to "universal computer"

"universal computer" is historic computer science term that I found misleading. Personally I'd take it out. By the way this is my first comment on a discussion page so please forgive any breaches of etiquette.

I concurr. Specifically, misleading because generally the Akashic records are generally seen as a passive repository of information, not an active "mind" processing them. Namesinger (talk) 16:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Objection to "constantly updated"

Another perspective [documentation needed] is that the records are a static set of all moments experienced by all sentient beings throughout time. On this view, consciousness over time is a matter of navigation through an n-dimensional informational matrix. Namesinger (talk) 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Other resources of information

There are excellent resources about the Akashic Records - explaining them and how to access them - which are available in print or on the web, in just about every language. -Unknown, June 2004

Could you tell us where? I'd like to see them - the resources that is. ThePeg June 2006

I don't know about the resources mentioned above, but if you're truly interested in learning about this, I would recommend "Your Book of Life: Accessing the Akashic Records" by Gary Bonnell, if it's still in print. Mahamudra 02:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Improvements

Added some qualifiers. Fixed the term Akash with an internal link. Deleted the following "How you witness the Akashic Records will depend on the physical senses you primarily use to witness your physical existence. For instance, if you are primarily a visual and kinesthetic person, you will explore the Records in a similar manner. However, you will also discover that you can use your dominant senses as a diving-board to plunge into and broaden your other senses as well." Seems a bit over the top. LeeHunter 02:41, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Improve the use of real words; 'philosophists' is not one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.242.36 (talk) 23:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

The comments, "this area is not deemed a serious area for scientific inquiry" is repeated twice citing the same source. This seems to be the most authoritative declaration there has ben made here and points to an agenda of "skeptic" groups to place well known spiritual concepts in the realm of "new age" garbage. The akashic records are hardly a matter that do not warrant investigation. In fact as described by Casey, the Hall of Records is supposed to exist in a large area near the left foot of the Sphinx, and date back to the Atlantis inhabitants. These records essentially are like a hologram of a person's life. The records record all of the incarnations of a soul and represent the essence of the wheel of life and reincarnation. Clearly there are similarities to serious Buddhist thought here and I am not the authority to write this article but this is the single most poorly written Wiki entry I have ever fond on a topic that probably ranks as one of the single most important concepts in spirituality for those who believe in reincarnation. If Edgar Cayce talked about it you can probably take it to the bank as being true The man is the single greatest psychic under self hypnosis in the modern era. I would suggest contacting the Cayce association A.R.E. in Virginia Beach for a decent definition of the Akashic Records. I am sure they could provide a well documented entry right from their archives.-BCP

>>>>-------------> (x)  Reincarnation without recall is the definition of living hell.   (x) <-------------------<<<<

Brain waves

The following material, on brain waves, was off-topic:

The preconscious state is that state of awareness just as you are waking up, and just before you fall asleep. The preconscious state corresponds to the Theta brain frequency, which is 4-8 cycles/second. Trance, hypnosis, deep day dreams, lucid dreaming and light sleep also occur during Theta frequency. Waking consciousness is Beta frequency (14-35 cycles/sec), and meditation and relaxation corresponds to Alpha frequency (8-14 cycles/sec). Any individual who can remain conscious during Delta frequency (0.5-3 cycles/sec) would be considered, by some, to be a mystic. Gene Ward Smith 06:21, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Actually, I found this information very helpful for learning to access the Akasha. -Bru.

• • • • I do too. I think this is sound information.

records vs Records

Akashic records redirects to Akashic Records. I don't see why 'records' requires capitalization (akashic is moot). What are people's opinions on a

move? Tyciol 09:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, "Records" makes it sound like some sort of independent record label. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 20:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Druids

I have revised the span of time given for the assumed presence of Druids and their respective tribes in Britain. [1] No one on Earth has even a decent rough guess about when the various indigenous tribes predating the Romans crossed from mainland Europe into Britain. We only know for certain that a few eponymous tribes were present during a mostly undateable time prior to the commentaries of Gaius Plinius Secundus and Gaius Julius Caesar by Greek sources relating second-hand Phoenician accounts of the northwestern isles as well as the native quasi-historical myths of what are now collectively called the 'Celtic' tribes in those same isles. Ergo, the early date for the presence of Druids in Britain is given as simple question marks, denoting the lack of much evidence that can be dated, and the later date for the dispersal of the Druids and their teachings has been altered to a somewhat arbitrary (and admittedly conservative) date of 500 C.E. since it is improbable that much of the entirely oral and specifically tribal teachings of the Druids survived for very long after the death of the western Roman Empire and the subsequent colonisation of Britain by various Teutonic tribes.

If anyone would like to dispute this change to the Akashic Records article please let me know at my talk page since I rarely visit this article or its talk page.

→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 17:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Champion and other things???

I'd like to suggest a rewrite of the phrase "Those who champion the truth of the Records assert ...", in this article. The word 'Champion' in this context suggests a lack of NPOV to me. Maybe I'm just being picky, but perhaps simply stating "Those who support the existence of Akashic Records assert ...", would be more neutral and still convey the message intended. Also, I admit I have limited knowledge on this subject matter, but it seems obvious that this article is in great need of citations. the entire article requires both a Wiki "cleanup" and a "verified against sources" tag. Where is this data comming from? Furthmore, I found some aspects intially confusing. Apart from a rewrite, I recommend that the "Description and explanation" section be moved up to before the "History" section, if possible. I'd also like to see some Etymology, or first use of this term. Finally, I'm confused on the appropriate way to refer to this concept. By that I mean, should this concept/belief be called "The Akashic Records", "Akashic records" (notice lower case), simply "Akashic Records", or "The Akashic Record" (note singular use). Again, its a small thing, but I'd like to see a bit of consistency throughout the article. Just my two cents. Thoughts?? Trippz 06:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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So far as I'm aware, the correct term is, and has always been, 'the Akashic Record' -- though I'm not sure what it's doing here, given that there's no scientific evidence for its existence, and the article doesn't seem to add to it. --PL 15:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

But of course, it's difficult to find scientific evidence of something that exists in the 7th plane when the general population is only now becoming comfortable with understanding the 5th plane. Did you know that we wouldn't have double-blind clinical trials if it weren't for tests trying to prove/disprove telepathy and psychokinesis?

Please don't forget to sign your posts. Regardless of what "plane"(?) you are on, its just being polite and keeps the discussion easier to read. Trippz 02:06, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

My experience with the concepts and terms has always put it "the Akashic record" ...implying that, while one might differentiate parts of it according to subject matter, the parts are all part of a single record. You wouldn't say "karmas" or "mayas." Any reference I've ever come across to the plural form of this word has always seemed less than knowledgeable about it. I think it should be corrected in Wikipedia's entries, or at least acknowledged that there is some question about usage. (This singular vs. plural usage changes the concept considerably.) rowley (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

What we need is a reference for the most common usage. Is there some sort of 'Encyclopedia of Theosophic/New Age Terms' that could be consulted? Otherwise, it might be best to just survey what's been written about it- several people have mentioned their own experience with how the term is used, but we don't know how representative that is without some concrete references. --Clay Collier (talk) 18:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth, a cursory Google test says "Akashic records" is several times more common than "Akashic record". -kotra (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Specific accounts of

Hey, I marked this section of the main page for edit because it was a bit disorganized/confusing for me to draw the concept from, compared to the rest of the article. Partially because there are words here I'm not familiar with, partially because those words don't have structure to help explain their described meanings. Any help would be appreciated because I don't feel I'm qualified to reorganize it without knowing the topic well enough. I know general, just not sub-types. Westleyd 01:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeats

I added some refs to William Butler Yeats' A Vision, which discusses the Akashic records under a different rubric (Faculties). Yeats was a Theosophist but had his own slant on Theosophical ideas. En passant, in Theosophical literature Akashic records always appears in the plural. LarDur 20:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Capitalization

There is no consistent capitalization in the article. Should it be Akashic Records, Akashic records, or akashic records? The middle one wouldn't make sense to me, because akashic by itself is not a proper noun. But i can't decide between the other two. Is the entire phrase a proper noun, like Solar System? Or is it a phrase composed of an adjective and an improper noun that happens to refer to something unique? I'm leaning toward full capitalization, which would require moving the article, but i'm not sure. Foobaz·o< 05:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have asked for help on this issue at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Foobaz·o< 22:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

It could be any of the above; Akashic records would imply that Akasha was a proper noun, like Heaven. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

That makes sense; I think it is a proper noun. Foobaz·o< 16:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Removed text

I've removed the following text, that appears to be original research and uncitable:

Certain persons in subconscious states do read the akashic records. An explanation for this phenomena is that the akashic records are the macrocosm of the individual subconscious mind. Both function similarly, they possess thoughts which are never forgotten. The collective subconscious gathers all thoughts from each subconscious mind which can be read by other subconscious minds.

Controversial statements like these need citations, otherwise they appear to be merely someone's personal convictions. This article is full of such statements, and probably needs a rewrite altogether. -kotra (talk) 20:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite needed

I believe this article's problems (POV, unencyclopedic tone, lack of references) are beyond simple adjustments at this point. I recommend a rewrite of at least the majority of the article. Much of the unreferenced information might be useful to people, but it is probably original research, which is inadmissible on Wikipedia. If a number of good, reliable sources could be accumulated, for example nonfiction books, encyclopedia articles, peer-reviewed journals, etc, I think a Good Article could be reached. The esoteric subject shouldn't be a problem as long as it's approached from a neutral, academic perspective. Here are a couple leads to start: [2][3]

Anybody up for it? -kotra (talk) 21:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Kotra, I am up for it. To start with, most knowledgeable sources of information refer to the Akashic Record (singular), not to "Akashic Records." This is consistent with my first exposure to the concept (as well as with the results of a quick Google survey). I think referring to the subject in the plural betrays a basic misunderstanding of the concept, and this important point is not addressed in the present article. rowley (talk) 19:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Great! I look forward to seeing what you come up with. -kotra (talk) 21:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty clear that whoever wrote this was tripping complete ballsacks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.236.128.62 (talk) 21:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

This link provides a good online introduction to the entire concept: Cosmic Memory - From the Akasha Chronicle -rtega 28 december 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 12:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC).

Term origins

The article currently asserts that Akasic record(s) is a "term from Hinduism" that was incorporated into Theosophy. What Sanskrit term does "akashic record" correspond to? 'Akashic' is Sanskrit, but this is like saying that since "burrito" is Spanish, "Bill's Burrito Hut" is a Spanish term. We need a reference for the origin of the term- my suspicion is that there isn't a single Sanskrit term in use prior to the Theosophical development that would translate as "record of the air", but rather that the concept was formulated later, and 'akasha' borrowed from Sanskrit to provide it with an exotic-sounding name. Are there any sources that provide a Sanskrit translation of "akashic record" and document the use of that term in texts that pre-date theosophy? --Clay Collier (talk) 19:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Exactly! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.38.113.232 (talk) 14:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Archangels

I remember reading an unusual story about a high-ranking angel (or archangel) of Jesus-Christ who had access to the Akashic records. There should maybe be additional information about claims about a relationship between angels and the Akashic records. ADM (talk) 01:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

xkcd reference

I can't find the xkcd-strip that is referenced. Could please somebody make a reference link or delete the line.

thanks

--Maweki (talk) 20:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It's definitely not in xkcd, and no other webcomic seems to have it, so I'm deleting it under the assumption that it's a hoax. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Journey of Souls

I divided the original paragraph into three (and fixed a misspelling).

The first paragraph is correct; I've read the book.

The second paragraph is also correct, but I'm too lazy to look up the book and page number but have inserted a "citation needed" tag. Further, it doesn't relate much, if at all, to the article subject.

The third paragraph is theological speculation (and Elijah seems misspelled). It has no relevance to the article and should be removed (not because it is speculative, but because it is tangential).

However, I hesitate to arbitrarily destroy, so I'm leave the last two paragraphs for others to review.

HiTechHiTouch (talk) 07:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, both latter paragraphs

Although most of us apparently reincarnate many thousands of times, one channel claims that Jesus got the plan so right that he only incarnated five times, but that may be misleading as he originally did not have to incarnate at all. He chose to, in order to allow mankind's spiritual debt to be paid in full.

The biblical prophets Enoch and Alijah were, according to scripture, the only men noted to have had only one incarnation before finding themselves worthy of standing before the throne of god. They were both graduated to celestial status before the death of their earthly form and given honored positions within the vaults of heaven. (This last statement does not comes from the above book.)

are not related to Akashic records so I'm removing them.

HiTechHiTouch (talk) 07:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Gibberish

Oddly, after reading the article, I still don;t know what the "Akashic Records" are supposed to be. The article needs to be re-written, drastically trimmed, and made NPOV. Jumbo 17:50, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Me neither really but it's supposed to be some sort of field where all knowledge from past generations are kept.

--81.224.94.14 (talk) 23:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like Wikipedia to me. ;) --75.171.174.149 (talk) 11:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

This may just be the worst written article I've ever seen. It repeats words and phrases, jumps all over the place, fails to site sources, is unclear, uses weasel words, and is generally uninformative. I'd try and clean it up... but I have no idea what the Akashic Record is, even after reading this. I'd like to point out that is has now been 9 years since the first Gibberish comment. Something should be done or this article should be reduced to stub status until someone qualified edits it.99.111.148.11 (talk) 13:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

References

This article needs another reference but i cant seem to figure out how to add it. So if someone wants to add this reference for me, please do so.

Science and the Akashic Field: An Integral Theory of Everything by Ervin Laszlo

Deathdoer177 (talk) 19:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I will sort it out, theres also this 1 GreenUniverse (talk) 12:11, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

For your information and use in this article, here are two quotations from Franz Bardon's "Initiation into Hermetics" (http://www.scribd.com/doc/7373484/Initiation-into-Hermetics) 1/ Definition of akasha (spelled akasa in this edition) on page 17 : "7. Akasa or the Ethereal Principle. Several times while describing the elements I have said that they proceed from the ethereal principle. Accordingly, the ethereal principle is the ultimate, the supreme, the most powerful thing, something inconceivable, the ultimate cause of all things existing and created. To put it in a nutshell, it is the causal sphere. Therefore akasa is spaceless and timeless. It is the non-created, the incomprehensible, the indefinable. The various religions have given it the name of God. It is the fifth power, the original power. Everything has been created by it and is kept in balance by it. It is the origin and the purity of all thoughts and intentions, it is the causal world wherein the whole creation in subsisting on, beginning from the highest spheres down to the lowest ones. It is the quintessence of the alchemists; it is all in all." 2/ Reference to what is called the akashic records on page 29 : "The astral plane, often designated as the fourth dimension, has not been created out of the four elements, but it is a density-degree of the akasa principle, consequently of all that up to now, in the material world occurred, is actually occurring and will occur, and has its origin, regulation and existence. As said before, akasa in its most subtle form is the ether, well known to all of us, in which, amongst other vibrations, electric as well as magnetic ones are propagating. Consequently this vibration-sphere is the origin of light, sound, color, rhythm, and life in all things created. As akasa is the origin of all existing things, all that ever was produced, is being produced and will be produced in the future is reflected in it. Therefore, in the astral plane there is to be seen an emanation of the eternal, having neither a beginning nor an end, as it is timeless and spaceless. The adept who sees his way about this plane may find everything here, no matter if the point in question be in the past, the present or the future. How far this perception will reach depends on the degree of his perfection." 2A01:E35:8ABC:31C0:882D:C796:4957:D8FD (talk) 11:17, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Skepticism section, addendum?

There seems to be a flaw in the idea insofar as it defies the principle of parsimony. If this record exists beyond our universe (as "non-physical" implies), then there must be some method by which those who maintain the record perceive our physical universe to generate its entries. If such a method exists, why not simply say that this method alone fulfills all the functions of the record? That is, why would a race or a god that exists outside of time need a SECOND record of all time, space, and thought when the past and future sit before them like an open book? Why would clairvoyants not simply consult the past itself rather than a copy, when consulting the record necessarily implies the ability to perceive that which is beyond time? I suspect this "record" is more in the way of a metaphor for the benefit of those who did not conceive of time as a dimension, but that era is over. The phrase "supposed to be constantly updated" in the introduction, however, implies a natural rather than a supernatural process, contrary to the description of "non-physical". I recommend clarifying this issue, i.e., whether the record is constrained by the arrow of time that dominates our universe. If so, it is entropic and contingent; if not, it is apparently superfluous. Asat (talk) 15:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

All interesting ideas, if not all that I agree with. However, I suggest that Wikipedia's responsibility here is to summarize already existing discussions and conceptualizations of the subject. If reliable references (philosophical books, encyclopedia entries, peer-reviewed journals, etc) for such can be found, great, but otherwise I think it's outside the scope of Wikipedia. -kotra (talk) 20:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I would agree, of course the skepticism section shouldn't even exist. You can't hold religious beliefs to skepticism, because they are after all beliefs, granted Hinduism does tend to lean more towards a scientific standpoint, you still cannot. It would be the equivalent of putting a skepticism section on the life of Jesus Christ, there really isn't empirical evidence of his existence, just countless people who believe he did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.190.113 (talk) 00:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Since the article asserts that the Akashic records are not religion but based on fact, then skepticism is definitely warranted. Just from reading it, the impression I get is that no one actually knows what the Akashic records are and everyone is just making it up to suit their purposes. 211.30.119.2 (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm surprised that no one has suggested that the nature of the alleged Record might be such that events (even events as intangible as thoughts), by their nature, inscribe themselves on the universe. rowley (talk) 01:54, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

The Akashic records are not accessed by "astral projection" and "deep hypnosis" is not a requirement. If you are capable to do it, and astrally project to the pyramids you will see them as they are now and you will not see how they are built. The best way to conceive of the akashic records are that they are a book in which everything that has happened has been recorded. For those that seek spiritual or mystical training from any of many genuine and competent mystical schools, (e.g. AMORC) they will receive as part of their training and goals on how to tune into the records using meditative techniques. In general God assists those to access the records in order to fulfill a purpose, such as in the case of Edgar Cayce that was granted access so that he could help people with serious health or psychological issues that resulted directly from causes set in motion by these people during previous lifetimes. 198.228.216.32 (talk) 04:21, 8 November 2013 (UTC) R Royfield.

phrase/concept was promulgated in the 1800s

It appears that this phrase/concept was promulgated in the 1800s; it would be helpful if the lede said as much.-71.174.175.150 (talk) 21:27, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

A source that states this would be helpful. - - MrBill3 (talk) 05:15, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

OED says 1895: www.oed.com ... /view/Entry/308010?redirectedFrom=Akashic#eid

akashic, adj.
Pronunciation:  Brit. /ɑːˈkɑːʃɪk/ , U.S. /ɑrˈkɑrʃɪk/
Forms:  18– akasic, 18– akashic.
Etymology:  < akash- (in akasha n.) + -ic suffix.
Of, relating to, or existing in the akasha. See akasha n.
1883   Melbourne Rev. Oct. 414   Gross aggregations of matter, which..they disintegrate into their ultimate or akasic atoms, pass them through the currents of ‘akas’, and again re-integrate to the form of their original gross aggregation.
1885   1st Rep. Comm. Soc. Psychical Res. 30   The akâsic substratum of ponderable things.

Special uses
akashic record   n. (in theosophy and other New Age philosophies) a record of past events imprinted on the akasha.
1895   A. Besant Karma 28   A scene from the past may be reproduced in all its living reality..; for in the Âkâshic Records it exists, imprinted there once for all.

Most onpoint discussion of term origins: www.crystalinks.com/akashicrecords.html

"Despite claims that the Akashic Records have been used by mystics throughout history, there are not any direct references to the Akasha to be found in any of the historical documentation of the aforementioned groups. The term Akasha itself, along with the concept of an etheric library, originated with the 19th century movement of Theosophy. Skeptics say that the concept of Akashic Records has been attributed indiscriminately and inappropriately to a wide range of historical religious figures and movements."

• www.edgarcayce.org/are/spiritualGrowth.aspx?id=2078

"According to H.P. [Helena Petrovna] Blavatsky (1831-1891), Russian immigrant, mystic, and founder of the Theosophical Society, the Akashic Records..."

• remnantreport.com/cgi-bin/imcart/read.cgi?article_id=574&sub=12

"Originating in the theosophical movement of the 19th century the "Akashic Records" are a cosmic library of all living things recorded somehow upon the fabric of time and space."

• www.trvnews.com/tmn/112205/semanticsshemantics.html

"The first thing I was surprised to find out was that the term Akashic Records is not as ancient as many people believe. The concept of the Akashic Records began in the 19th century, with a movement called Theosophy. It was the Theosophists that actually coined the term, Akashic Record."

-71.174.175.150 (talk) 15:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Book of Life

Various religions have the concept of a Book of Life. This "Akashic records" concept seems related. The article should discuss, compare, and contrast these related concepts, with appropriate links.-71.174.175.150 (talk) 15:03, 10 November 2014 (UTC) See Ervin Laszlo

Care to list them? The only I can think of off the top of my head is Judaism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.113.64.100 (talk) 16:46, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

There exists a "book of life" concept in Abrahamic religions but it's not considered a record of history, more a nomination for access to the afterlife. —PaleoNeonate – 16:39, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

this section needs references: Known people to have accessed the Akashic records

Especially in light of the statement at the top of the article : "There are anecdotal accounts but there is no scientific evidence for the existence of the Akashic records.[1][2][3]."

2600:1700:B9C1:20C0:85C0:B1C2:649:AFF (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2020 (UTC)David

I found a page related to Edgar Cayce and the Akashic Records at edgarcayce.org. When I have some more time I can search for citation(s) connected to Nostradamus too. But this is a start. Jimj wpg (talk) 06:52, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. 2600:1700:B9C1:20C0:317C:9D4E:B477:4B8 (talk) 00:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)David

Akashic records

It's a real life experience. Niltii (talk) 00:08, 25 June 2022 (UTC)