Talk:Aisling Brady McCarthy

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Requested move 20 May 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. In addition, there is no consensus for alternative options. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 19:04, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Aisling Brady McCarthy → Death of Rehma Sabir – Article should not be named for a living person not found guilty of the crime the article focuses on. Relevant policy includes WP:BLP1E. – Teratix ₵ 10:54, 20 May 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. qedk (t 桜 c) 14:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: But as it's written the article is essentially about her rather than the death of the child. I'd be tempted to AfD it, to be honest. PC78 (talk) 17:21, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@PC78: I would too, but it's received international coverage (not just domestic) so it might pass WP:NCRIME at a pinch. However, McCarthy does not meet WP:VICTIM, so the article is best focused on the crime itself (yes, this proposal entails a rewrite). – Teratix ₵ 23:48, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose (somewhat reluctantly): Normally, I would be in favour of such a suggestion, but the article is much more focused on what happened to Ms Brady McCarthy than on what happened to the baby, and that also seems true of the cited sources. Many more people are likely to be familiar with the name of the woman than the name of the child. Of the 12 sources cited in the article, all of them mention the nanny in their titles, eight of them have the nanny's name in their titles, and only one of them (which is a dead link) explicitly refers to the baby in the title, and none of them have the name of the baby in the title. The Louise Woodward case has strong similarities and is referred to in this article, and it is also named after the accused nanny rather than after the dead child. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:32, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So should the article be moved to Aisling Brady McCarthy case perhaps? – Teratix ₵ 23:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, perhaps. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. There were two tragedies here, but more informative is what happened to the nanny, and much of the notability (sorry) surrounds the case as pursued, again surrounding the nanny. The mention of WP:BLP1E does merit attention, but while an AfD would make the problem go away, I'd then be looking for an article around the whole subject of misdirected/mismanaged prosecutions to have a mention of this event inserted there.

Oh dear, only one other article links to here? And that article Gerard Leone has a WP:BLP1E whiff about it also. I'm really thinking AfD for both articles is appropriate, as long as this sorry incident gets acknowledged somehow under the general problem subject. Shenme (talk) 20:59, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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