Talk:Airport Sector (CISF)
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Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:11, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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- ... that Central Industrial Security Force is responsible for providing security to airports in India? Source
Created by Deepak G Goswami (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC).
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith - Interesting:
- Not at all interesting.
QPQ: 
- Not done
Overall: 
AGF on sources being reliable. buidhe 15:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for initiating the review. I am not required to do the QPQ as this is my 5th DYK nomination. What exactly is your concern regarding the reliability of the sources? The one that is used for supporting the hook is a national newspaper and rest in the article are unquestionably reliable. And, about the "interest" aspect, that's a very subjective thing; for me what force is an airport police in India is an "interesting" fact. If we start looking at things based on our own interest then most of the DYK nominations would be "not at all interesting".--Deepak G Goswami (talk) 08:05, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- Deepak G Goswami, I would draw your attention to Wikipedia:Did_you_know#3, which requires that it is "interesting to a broad audience". Many countries have airport security agencies so it is not very interesting that India also has one. buidhe 06:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Buidhe, the fact for "did you know" is not that India HAS an agency for airport security but WHAT agency is responsible for that purpose is an "interesting" fact, IMHO. Reiterating myself, the criterion of "interestingness" is highly subjective and nobody can actually represent the "broad audience" to dismiss any fact as "not at all interesting". Most of the Indians may not find the history of Jews or holocaust "interesting" and it eliminates almost 18% of world population in one go.--Deepak G Goswami (talk) 07:26, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is intended for a global audience, not just for Indians and for Jews. Hooks (at least in theory) should be able to appeal to anyone regardless of their economic or national origins. A good hook about India should appeal even to someone living in Brazil or Egypt and not just Indians, the same goes for hooks from every other country. Personally I do think the hook is okay (if unspectacular) but I can see where Buidhe's concerns are coming from. Perhaps instead of a hook that says "the CISF is responsible for providing security to airports in India?", something that goes "the CISF, which is responsible for providing security to airports in India,... [additional hook fact]?" would work? Maybe add another fact about the organization that might interest those not from India? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:49, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, I concur with you and I could have tried to suggest any alternate hook if Buidhe hadn't dismissed my original hook as "not at all interesting" because it asserted their WP:POV and to support their flawed opinion they cited WP:DYK#3 which brought the question of how any individual can decide for the "broad audience" that something is interesting or "not at all interesting". I am quite new to Wikipedia and found this type of dismissal bizarre to the least if not offensive but I am assuming good faith that it was not their intention. However, they could have at least tried to helped me, which I thought how Wikipedia worked. Anyway, I am suggesting a new hook.--Deepak G Goswami (talk) 15:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is intended for a global audience, not just for Indians and for Jews. Hooks (at least in theory) should be able to appeal to anyone regardless of their economic or national origins. A good hook about India should appeal even to someone living in Brazil or Egypt and not just Indians, the same goes for hooks from every other country. Personally I do think the hook is okay (if unspectacular) but I can see where Buidhe's concerns are coming from. Perhaps instead of a hook that says "the CISF is responsible for providing security to airports in India?", something that goes "the CISF, which is responsible for providing security to airports in India,... [additional hook fact]?" would work? Maybe add another fact about the organization that might interest those not from India? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:49, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Buidhe, the fact for "did you know" is not that India HAS an agency for airport security but WHAT agency is responsible for that purpose is an "interesting" fact, IMHO. Reiterating myself, the criterion of "interestingness" is highly subjective and nobody can actually represent the "broad audience" to dismiss any fact as "not at all interesting". Most of the Indians may not find the history of Jews or holocaust "interesting" and it eliminates almost 18% of world population in one go.--Deepak G Goswami (talk) 07:26, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Deepak G Goswami, I would draw your attention to Wikipedia:Did_you_know#3, which requires that it is "interesting to a broad audience". Many countries have airport security agencies so it is not very interesting that India also has one. buidhe 06:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that after the hijacking of an aeroplane the Central Industrial Security Force was given the responsibility of securing airports in India? Source
- @Buidhe: Can you please give the new hook a look? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
It's not unusual that a hijacking would result in more or different security measures at airports. Nevertheless, while I personally wish that the "interestingness" criterion were applied more strongly, this is well within what usually runs at DYK, so here you go. buidhe 22:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: Can you please give the new hook a look? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
