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Self-published sources

The website songsofsamcooke.com, which is used to source much of the "music" section, does not meet the reliability standards of our verifiability policy, as it is a self-published source. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. I just look through the liner notes again

Dan56 (talk) 13:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I had not personally reassessed this because I'm still of the opinion that it doesn't quite cross the threshold into "B" class, but it seems that nobody else intends to investigate. The entire article is based on four sources: allmusic, the liner notes, a book and a music store. It has two ELs on the bottom that are a violation of policy, as the site that they link to contains copyrighted material (Wikipedia:Copyrights#Linking to copyrighted works). There are four professional reviews. Two of them contain links that do not provide sufficient information for verification. One of them, the Rolling Stone review, is not professional at all, but a fan submitted review and hence not usable according to guideline. There may be additional usable sources here or here, in addition to floating generally around usenet, but I believe that currently the article needs more diverse and reliable sourcing (intellectually independent of the album and not inherently promotional]]. It might also benefit from more information about critical reception, though I know very well that this can be hard to find for albums of this age. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pop music?

This album, and Sam Cooke generally, are not pop music. Neither of the five main criterias listed on pop music#Characteristics applies to Ain't That Good News (album) and to Sam Cooke. This is the reason why I changed the genre in the infobox. Also it is not supported by Allmusic. Try to find reliable sources, which claim that this is pop, and post it here. Regards.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_Hey ^{it's me}_{I am dynamite} 18:41, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not referring to today's pop music, but of back then. The Allmusic reviewer does not mentioned R&B or soul, but mentions "contemporary pop material" and "what seems like pop material". Songs like Tennessee Waltz, Sittin' in the Sun, and Rome lean toward the crossover/pop sound of the time. So, I wouldn't agree that neither of the criterias listed on pop music#Characteristics applies to the album's songs or Cooke, who had crossover pop records (Frankie and Johnny (song), Sam Cooke at the Copa) Dan56 (talk) 21:24, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, but why didn't they include this genre into the box on the right side? "what seems like pop material" is telling us that he is not a pop music artists; it is like a personal modified style, but not the genre. For example we don't include "Folk music" into the infobox of R.E.M. or their albums, because it is (sometimes) their style, but not the genre. But I won't discuss it further; you are actually right in some areas. Regards.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_Hey ^{it's me}_{I am dynamite} 10:34, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Allmusic's side tables are pretty inconsistent with what their reviews say. Like with 808s & Heartbreak [1] Dan56 (talk) 18:41, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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Start class:

Y A reasonably complete infobox
Y A lead section giving an overview of the album
Y A track listing
Y Reference to at least primary personnel by name (must specify performers on the current album; a band navbox is insufficient)
Y Categorisation at least by artist and year

C class:

Y All the start class criteria
Y A reasonably complete infobox, including cover art
Y At least one section of prose (in addition to the lead section)
Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs
Y A "personnel" section listing performers, including guest musicians.

B class:

Y All the C class criteria
Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details
Y A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians
N No obvious issues with sourcing, including the use of blatantly improper sources.
Y No significant issues exist to hamper readability, although it may not rigorously follow WP:MOS

Lacks citation. A lot of the overview section is well written but isn't sourced and comes off sounding too much like a review! The chart section isn't cited either. keep up the good work! Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Sourcing concerns seem to persist. Who says "the song came to exemplify the sixties Civil Rights Movement"? Whose opinion is it that these songs are "beautifully arranged"? This is not a reliable source. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Sourcing concerns persist. This unreliable source is inappropriately referenced to verify much of the music section, some of which (like the info on "Meet Me At Mary's Place") is not sourced at all. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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