Talk:Aidomo Emakhu

Possible adjustments to the article

@GiantSnowman Hello! Finally, I've got the occasion to break down some of the edits I would make to the article.

Firstly, the youth career. I definitely made some evident mistakes last time. However, I've then tried again to reconstruct the time periods from the two sources we've got, and I think we might be able to settle on this order:

- 2009–2013 St Francis;

- 2013–2015 Lourdes Celtic;

- 2015–??? Crumlin United;

- ???–2020 Shelbourne;

- 2020–2021 Shamrock Rovers.

I don't think Emakhu moved directly to Shamrock from Crumlin. In the first interview I linked, he actually stated that he failed a trial at under-15 level:

"I remember going to Rovers for the Under-15s and it was Damien Duff’s team. At first, he told me I was signing, but we played a match against Finn Harps and I was way behind, they were so much bigger and stronger. I didn’t get taken. I tried to go to Rovers’ DDSL team as a back-up, but they didn’t have a space for me either. I went back to Crumlin, who I had been with after first starting with St Francis when I was six."

On the other hand, it's difficult to assess when he effectively joined Shelbourne, but we know for sure from that same interview that he rejected a professional deal right before moving to Rovers:

"I felt like if I went to Shels, it would challenge me to not just improve, but also have the responsibility of being the main man. [...] I enjoyed that, so it was tough to turn down the professional contract when they offered it to me. I was with the first team, but once Rovers came back I wanted to go there, even though I was stepping back to the Under-19s."

The other interview on Shamrock's website has likely been published in 2021, so Aidomo must have joined the club in 2020, with these two quotes suggesting it:

"How much do you think you have developed since coming to Rovers last year? [...] Did you feel that with Covid-19 last year that was lost time for you?"

Ok, that's the first part. I promise I'll explain the rest way more quickly... : D

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Secondly, I just wanted to expand the Shamrock Rovers paragraph in the career section a bit more. To be honest, I would just add some more information about both his league debut and his European debut, like this:

"On 15 May 2021, he made his senior debut for Shamrock Rovers, at 17 years and 199 days, coming on as a substitute for Rory Gaffney at the 88th minute of a 1–1 league draw against Derry City. On 5 August of the same year, he made his debut in a European competition, coming on the pitch in the final minutes of the UEFA Europa Conference League qualifying match against Teuta Durrës and scoring the game's only goal after a few minutes."

Of course, we'll keep the citations that are already there, maybe adding links to the respective match pages on Soccerway or Worldfootball.net (both reliable databases), in order to be even more precise.

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Thirdly, Emakhu's statistics for the Irish national team can be found on Worldfootball.net, which is usually a reliable source for both senior and youth international matches. According to that, he featured four times for Ireland U19, scoring one goal - which is already proven by other citations, by the way.

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Right, that's all for now. Let me know what you think about these inputs!

Oltrepier (talk) 17:49, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for this.

Youth career - I think it's accurate as it is, or at least as accurate as we can get it with the current sourcing.

For the debut/goal, what sources are you using?

For the youth international stats I will update. GiantSnowman 18:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman About the debut, I actually kept the same sources that are currently listed...

But I also managed to find the respective Soccerway pages for both the mentioned games. Here you are:

- Shamrock Rovers v. Derry City - 15 May 2021 (League debut)

- Shamrock Rovers v. Teuta Durres - 5 August 2021 (European debut and first goal)

Thank you for the help! Oltrepier (talk) 21:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

I mean which source says (for example) that he was 17 years 199 days, that he came on 88th minute etc.? Without relying on match reports for that latter information. GiantSnowman 22:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman Er, I actually calculated that age by myself... : D

Since the other ones are insufficient, in the meantime I've found two new sources we could use for those two matches: this one from Shamrock's website for Emakhu's league debut, and this one from RTÉ for his UECL debut and first goal. Oltrepier (talk) 09:56, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

The age counts as WP:OR... GiantSnowman 19:33, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

And no mention of him playing here, it's not the right report. GiantSnowman 20:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman Sorry, I picked the wrong match... This report should actually be alright.

And okay, I think it's fine to leave the age out entirely, at this point. Oltrepier (talk) 14:25, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

thanks, will update. GiantSnowman 18:12, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

(←) @GiantSnowman Thank you for helping! : ) Oltrepier (talk) 12:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Honours

Honestly I do not understand the continued vandalism here. Honours are always notable. It is the reason footballers play after all! Emakhu was at Rovers (not shamrock) for the period defined in the article therefore it stands to reason that he won those honours!

Secondly links to his other European goals are provided. Hooping1 (talk) 15:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I have found a source for the honours - assuming a player has won an honour because he was contracted to a club is not good enough.

The European goals are supported by run-of-the-mill match reports from his club. They are not notable unless they are discussed in detail by third party sources. GiantSnowman 15:15, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

So his club is making up the fact he scored these goals?!!! Hooping1 (talk) 15:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

No, I'm saying that we are an encyclopedia and not a sports almanac, and we do not include details of a player's every goal or game, only notable ones (i.e. those covered in detail by reliable third party sources). GiantSnowman 15:20, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTDIARY states that Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goals scored warrants inclusion in the biography of that person Spike 'em (talk) 15:33, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

It’s clearly not an assumption based on his career stats. Something a football fan would know Hooping1 (talk) 09:42, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't see how the text inserted In July 2022 Emakhu scored the winner in a 2022–23 UEFA Champions League tie[1] would be notable for inclusion in this article here. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 13:31, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

@Spike 'em and Iggy the Swan: - Hooping1 continues to restore the goals... GiantSnowman 18:45, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

And once again removed by you. Surely it won't be long before admin action is required against this. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:58, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I've removed it because there was no support for its inclusion, and indeed comments from Spike and you indicating it should not be included... GiantSnowman 21:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Why exactly?

The goal of wiki is to enhance pages not vandalise them. Read the purpose page.

Scoring in all three of the current European competitions is notable if only for the fact that so few players have done it. It is not “every” goal he has scored either. Hooping1 (talk) 14:57, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

You have been told above, see WP:NOTDIARY. GiantSnowman 21:39, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Told? Lose the attitude and stop vandalising.

Scoring in all three of the current European competitions is notable Hooping1 (talk) 14:41, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

You're the only person to think that, and Wikipedia runs on consensus. GiantSnowman 11:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)