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https://nraa.gov.om/مراجع-مقالات-ومصادر-تثبت-هوية-الملاح-ا/ Orelic (talk) 05:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Was Ibn Majid Omani?

There have been a number of edit attempts made which have tried to label Ibn Majid as 'Omani' on the basis that Julfar in the C15th was part of what was then known as Oman. If this were to be taken seriously, it opens up a range of questions about what was - and is - Oman. And what was - and is - The Emirates. And, indeed, anywhere else whose names and affiliations have changed over the centuries. The pre-Islamic coastal city of Ed-Dur, currently in Umm Al Quwain, has been proposed as the Omanus of the ancients, while archaeological finds at the inland town of Mleihah in Sharjah, a linked pre-Islamic city of considerable significance, contains references to servants of the King of Oman. And yet there is little consistency to any ancient or historical political entity we could recognise as Oman until the C20th - just a number of highly fluid tribal allegiances and, in the case of the area we call Oman today, a constant battle for supremacy over the coastal Saids and the inland Imams that stretched back for centuries. There hasn't been a 'King of Oman' we could identify since the pre-Islamic period who held sway over the western coast as well as the east.

Adding to this picaresque confusion is the fact that Ibn Majid would, in his lifetime, not have recognised himself - or been recognised by others - as Omani as much as he would have been Hormuzi. The area paying fealty to, and recognised by cartographers of the time as, the C14th to C16th Kingdom of Hormuz stretched from Bahrain to Muscat and Julfar was part of that political entity. He was certainly Julfari, possibly you could argue he was Hormuzi, but there is no sensible argument to be made that he was Omani.

Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

I would like to have the sources you are getting this information from. I am from the lineage of Ahmed bin Majid. Have you seen any portraits of him or drawings. He is wearing the omani turban and dress. The people and citizens of the UAE were bedwins had no shoes and wore the aqal not the Omani turban. He was born in Jalfar no doubt which was part of Oman. Where exactly was his house even us his grandchildren we don’t know. And he introduced himself as from jalfar Oman he family name or last name is “Al - Saadi” and his lineage we love here in batinah Oman. His last name is not al shamsi or al aamri or al nahyaab. I have changed the article many time as i find it very disrespectful to our family and our Country. Here we teach about him in school to the kids and identify him as the Omani lion of the sea and when the students go back home to research him they find that hes from the uae?? We as omanis don’t like to make a fuss and cause troubles but this have been the case for many things that we have been seeing lately with the UAE claiming many things that belong to us. They even wanted to prescribe the Omani dagger as their own a few years back and we had to do something about it. Before 1971 the UAE was part of Oman it was called the “coast of Oman” do some research. The UAE citizens were living in the middle of the desert a 200-300 years ago only came to the coastal side recently.before that they were shepherds with no shoes living in tents in the desert. They never built ships, never navigates through the ocean never traveled the world. Come on my friend use your common sense. It doesn’t matter the location you are at the identity and how you identify matters. When you speak about the romans and the greeks and the persians you don't say the italians or turkish or iranians you use the correct term to describe them with. These games are well known from the UAE and we Omanis do not bother with them usually but this is my family you are talking about. I know you are being paid to do this by the government there but I will further persue this issue with the “ministry of heritage and tourism” here as the authority responsible and we will do something about it that is enough. Orelic (talk) 04:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

There is not a single mention of him being Omani in the whole article you publish no credit to us at all why wouldn’t I suspect some foul play here. If my accusations are wrong then I apologise but if you do the right research you find out the truth and give credit to his identity. And how he would identify and want to be identified. These games are well know from the UAE they have been doing many similar attack on our heritage and even our land where they basically added the whole musandam part of oman to their map and put the picture in a museum when the late sultan qaboos got angry at the move and called MBZ to come to him he came personally here and apologised to him left in the same day. Orelic (talk) 05:43, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Please check the following by the historian Paul Lunde Orelic (talk) 05:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

You need to dial back the accusations and threats, for a start - please see WP:LEGAL. You need to stop removing sourced material and adding unsourced material or you will be blocked from editing. And you need to dial down the nationalist rhetoric and make a cogent, defined and well-sourced argument for your assertions in order to gain consensus for your proposals. Without such consensus, there is no basis for your changes. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Well sourced by who? By the emiratis themselves? Of course i will acuse you if someone corrects you on something and you keep putting lies and misinformation. He was born in Oman he was. Even if he was born in so called UAE today it was know as oman 50 years ago and it doesn’t matter because his identity was omani. If i was born in china for example i wouldn’t identify myself as Chinese to the people that i meet. They will laugh at my fauce. Like wise ahmed bin majid was omani he travelled in the land of Oman and resided in many places here even in some records to the far south salalah he lived there. Now you make him a emiratis bedwin?! Orelic (talk) 05:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Check the link i have sent you. Well known historians and papers have wrote about him and identified him as Omani Orelic (talk) 05:38, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

https://nraa.gov.om/مراجع-مقالات-ومصادر-تثبت-هوية-الملاح-ا/ Orelic (talk) 05:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

I have sent you a link with 4 or 5 seperate different and well known western historians and papers saying he was from Oman. If you need any more i will provide them no problem. Stop using sources from the UAE only. This is a game they like to play and have played for a long time and unfortunately we omanis do not bother and fight back. https://nraa.gov.om/مراجع-مقالات-ومصادر-تثبت-هوية-الملاح-ا/ Orelic (talk) 06:00, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Illustration

Although it's a lovely picture, I'm not entirely sure why a 19th Century woodcut titled 'A Muslim merchant from Muscat' would be used to illustrate this article? I'm proposing removing it... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:50, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Fully agreed, please go ahead and get rid of the picture.Desde la Torre (talk) 12:10, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Historian Paul Lunde about Abmed bin Majid

https://nraa.gov.om/مراجع-مقالات-ومصادر-تثبت-هوية-الملاح-ا/ Orelic (talk) 05:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

According to the UNESCO the details in this article are completely twisted and contains misinformation. Can I speak to the person that wrote this article please, contact me.

As clearly stated by the UNESCO Ahmed bin Majid is from Oman. Check the link below of the official UNESCO website below:

https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/silk-road-themes/intangible-cultural-heritage/omans-cultural-interactions-along-silk-routes

This is disgraceful. If someone just did a bit of actual research you will find out that the sailor Ahmed bin Majid was from Oman and not the UAE. I would like to know who is the writer of this article and how was he able to publish such false information without anyone noticing or correcting them. What are their credentials and most importantly do they have any ties to the country of UAE? Hab Y.M (talk) 02:19, 3 August 2023 (UTC)