Talk:Ahmad Shah Durrani/Archive 2

Question

If his name is Ahmad Shah Durrani why is the Pashto name Shah written as Khan? Can someone change this خان to شاه  ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.149.254.99 (talk) 00:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

External Link

On May 19, 2009, "Afgan25" removed an external link , Abdali : Figure of Controversy with no explanation whatsoever. Could someone with access please insert that link that was there for years. Thank you.

The article should be moved Ahmad Shah Durrani. That is the most commonly name used in Encyclopedia of Islam, Britannica, etc. CanadianAnthropologist (talk) 00:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

removed sentence from the "Rise to power'section

I removed the following sentence because it did not belong in that section and also we can't have Farsi in the English Wikipedia.

Abdullah Khan Popalzai uses the word Khorasan when Ahmad Shah Abdali was laying-down and executing the master plan of Kandahar City:

دمی که شاه شهامت مداراحمدشاه به استواری همت بنای شهر نهاد، جمال ملک خراسان شد این تازه بنا زحادثات زمانش خدا نگهدارد

CanadianAnthropologist (talk) 02:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

fictional picture of Ahmad Shah Abdali coronation

That image was fictional and not historical so it was removed from the history section. According to Encyclopedia of Islam's article on Ahmad Shah Durrani, he was declared Shah on the trip from Mashhad to Kandahar. There never was a coronation at Kandahar.

Banned User:Beh-nam that is called vandalism and I have reverted your vandalism. Leave his images in there so the article looks better. An image does not have to be from that actual time, it could be made to look as if it was during that time. You and banned User:Tajik made your point that you hate Ahmad Shah so much that you would not even leave his images in his article. You two are low lives, what can you possibly gain from this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.69.18 (talk) 23:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

birth place

I am changing the birthplace of Ahmad Shah Durrani from Multan to Herat. Anyone who disuputes this, please provide evidence in an actual "book". You cannot use another website, which is actually a forum with no basis or fact checking available, as the grounds for using Multan as his birthplace. The Multan Chamber of Commerce site for that matter is not a suitable source either since there is no actual source.

If anyone can provide a book reference, which I personally have in the past stating that he was born in Herat, then we can discuss.

As for the person below stating that there was another group of Sayeds in Herat called Abd'ali as opposed to Abdali, if you are going to attempt to distort information at least come up with something a bit more believable.

In fact, the Abdalis, as in Durranis, were based in Herat before they were moved back to Kandahar. I will find you the historical reference for that from an acknowledged and credible historian, not a mom and pop website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afghan25 (talk • contribs) 07:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

The article state Multan as birth place for Ahmad Shah Durrani based on the information given in the Encyclopedia Britannica. However the following sources/books give Herat as his birth place: [1],[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmhkmh (talk • contribs) 01:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

• The current Encyclopedia Britannica article on Ahmad Shah Durrani does not list his birthplace. The Abdali tribe, of which Ahmad Shah Durrani came, was centered at that time in Herat province, according to the current Encyclopedia Britannica. --Bejnar (talk) 15:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Abdalis did not centered at Herat. That´s a lie. Herat´s elite were called Abd´Ali (Slaves of Ali) who were Persian governeurs, including members of the loyal family of the Safavids himself. In Afghanistan, the title was later propagated as Abdali or falsefied. Abdalis are original from Multan and Greater India, not Herat, Kabul, Kandahar etc. There are still a group in China called as Abdalis who are of Shia faith and live among the Shughnans and Sarikols and speak a dialect of Persian. Abdalis are Turko-Mongolian Pashtunized and Tajikized and Indianized people, while the real Abdalis (Abd´Alis) are Aryans and a Persian-speaking community and their language is called as Alicha. Nice try to fabricate a history, Bejnar, but it does not work.--94.219.218.150 (talk) 22:05, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Bejnar, I dont understand why you removed my edit to the Durrani Empire page where I edited Ahmad Shah Durrani's birthplace to Herat ? You have not given a single reason why you have done so, and in your post, you only corroborate the change that I made by stating that the Durrani's were centered around Herat at the time. Also, I am new to Wikipedia, so I have to ask, why do YOU decide that we need to have a discussion on this  ? Are you the admin for the page ? Afghan25 (talk) 21:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Afghan25

I am not the "admin for the page", anyone can initiate a discussion. I removed the statement because it was a matter of contention. Until the matter is settled, it doesn't belong in the article. When things are contested, the appropriate action is to discuss them, examine the sources and try to reach a consensus. --Bejnar (talk) 22:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia Britannica is a standard reference in Wikipedia. And Britannica says that he was born in Multan. Tājik (talk) 22:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I checked both the 2008 online edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica and the 1911. I did not find a mention of Multan in relation to Ahmad Shah Durrani. Can you provide an exact (pinpoint) citation? --Bejnar (talk) 22:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Then check again. Here is the current version of Britannica, and it says that he was born in Multan: Aḥmad Shāh Durrānī; ruler of Afghanistan; born 1722?, Multān, Punjab, died Oct. 16, –23?, 1772, Toba Maʿrūf, Afg. Tājik (talk) 23:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, it doesn't say it in the article, it says it in the heading only. So now we have conflicting sources. Has Tājik looked at the Herat sources? Right now, I am missing all history for the article after 21 November 2008 (it must be a server glitch,), so I can't see them right now. --Bejnar (talk) 23:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Bejnar, I don't think I need to provide any other sources other than what is already on this page. If you look at it there are two sources which claim Herat. You can also look at Sir Percy Sykes book "History of Afghanistan". This Tajik is a politically motivated personal bent on trying to portray Ahmad Shah Durrani as less than Afghan.

Furthermore, we need to remove that first link at the bottom in the external links section, as it is nothing more than a hate article written by minority from Afghanistan. If you do not believe it, please have a look for yourself. Material like that has no business being on Wikipedia, then especially at the TOP of the external links section. Ahmad Shah Durrani is very important to a lot of people in Afghanistan. You should not allow politically motivated individuals to tarnish his reputation with questionable sources and BIGOTED articles.

Finally, if you do require it, i will find you more sources other than the one that I cited off the top of my head. If the sources already listed on the page are not enough.Afghan25 (talk) 04:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)Afghan25

Afghan25, your accusations are totally meaningless. I also do not understand how his birthplace in Multan would make him "less Afghan", since at that time "Afghanistan" did not exist and the term "Afghan" was simply the Persian designation for Pashtuns. Even if here were born in Herat, he would not be "Afghan" by modern standards, because it was Ahmad Shah Abdali himself who conquered Herat in 1750 (3 years after the nominal independece of the Pashtun state in Kandahar!) after a bloody and 1-year-lasting (!) siege in which he defeated and removed the Afshari ruler of Herat, Nadir Shah's grandson Shahrukh. The Durranis were Pashtuns from Safavid-Mughal border regions, and they were - as a tribe - enemies of the leading Ghilzai tribe. Ahmad Shah and his father were imprisoned in Herat by the Ghilzai where they were freed by Nadir Shah Afshar, and afterwards, his tribe were put in charge of Herat for their service in Nadir Shah's ghilman army. Be it so, Britannica is considered a standard reference work in Wikipedia. As long as you do not provide really good literary references, let's say from leading historians (in English!), you have to accept the current version. Please read WP:OR. Tājik (talk) 11:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

"...I also do not understand how his birthplace in Multan would make him "less Afghan", since at that time "Afghanistan" did not exist..." Tajik, back then there was NO Iran or Tajikistan; only Afghan and Turk dynasties such as Saffarids, Qajars, etc. Afghanistan has quite a few thousands years history. All Avestan texts and many Sanskrit texts talk about Afghanistan. Plus even Shahnameh talks about Afghanistan most of the time while referring to "Iran" and mentions Afghan names such as Rustam Sagzi (Pashto: Sakazai = Scythian) and Sur instead of Persians because they knew (as genetic studies proved) the Persians beyond the Lut Desert are non-Aryan Elamites whereas Afghanistan/Sakastan including Sistan (which was also in ancient times Saka/Middle-Pashto-speaking) are true Aryans, that's why Shahnameh refers to Afghanistan and Sistan most of the time while talking about "Iran". 119.152.246.231 (talk) 13:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

No comment ... *sigh* Tājik (talk) 13:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Bejnar, there is still no action being taken with regards to the two points that I raised. One with the issue with the birth place. Secondly, the derogatory article which is nothing more than an ad hominem, and is listed as the first external link from Kabul Press. If you haven't done so, please read the article yourself, maybe that will help you to appreciate the depth of hate embedded in the writing. We need to take action on these two items, please advise as to how to move forward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afghan25 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

@Tajik, Afghanistan exist more than 9douzend years, some beliefs even more, but this country exists with the name Afghanistan nearly 3honderd years. and Afghan wasn't just a simply designation to Pakhtuns by Persians but the Pakhtuns begin to call their selfs from islimic periode as Afghans. the origina of the name Pakhtun is from Bacteria, Bakhter - Pakhter - Pakhtun, the changing of the name Bakhter to Pakhtun in 3 steps but officely they are more. and berfore Pakhtun they where Arians, and still are, Bacteria and Ariana are 2 of some old names of Afghanistam. so please educat yourself and don't compere a country like Afghanistan, with a country like Pakistan or Tajikistan, which exists only 60 years not more.

Multan as his birthplace will make him for sure less Afghan. 1. because in multan are living Panjabis and not Afghans generly. 2. he isn't born in multan but in Herat, 3. by setting his born place as multan is what Persia want it, to claim Herat as theire city. and place in multan will be people confuse it to reconace him as Pakhtun/Afghan or as Panjabi,!! and Afghan25 is totally right. and I doubt it if this Tajik is a Afghan or Persian person. who want itself to occur as afghan, but talks like a Persian!!اباسینAbasin 01:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Can you give any source that Afghanistan was mentioned 9 thousand years long? Guess what? Afghanistan is not even 100 years old and guess what? Bactria and Ariana have nothing to do with Pushtuns...Pushtuns live 2000 Miles away from Bactria and have not an Arian identity and culture. Your tribal customs are Mongolian while your terms and language is full of Turkio-Mongolian, Dravidian and Jewish vocabulary. You are a mixed bunch from Sulaiman Mountains. Bactria and Ariana were civilizations and Pushtuns do not have any civilization, not ties to Afghanistan or Bactria or Ariyana. Be happy with that fact..otherwise bring some sources from Puta Khazana directly from the Kheshtak of your Adai and Anei. Best regards Oughooon--94.219.218.150 (talk) 22:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Btw, 90% of Pushtuns live in Pakistan and India..while lesser than 10% live in Afghanistan. The rest are Pashtunized Hazaras, Arabs, Baluchs, Tajiks, Uzbeks etc.--94.219.218.150 (talk) 22:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Where do these facts come from and what do they have to do with his birthplace? --Bejnar (talk) 17:48, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Recent edit

The name Ahmad Shah Durrani is Persian. It is rather a title and was adopted by him when he became the Amir of Khorasan - it means "King Ahmad, [who is] like jewels". On the other hand, the tribal name Abdali is Pashto. The Pashto name Ahmad Khan Abdali was his real name. Tājik (talk) 19:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, we are more interested in what he is called in English and how he styled himself rather than his birth name. Although birth name can be of passing interest if a proper citation to a reliable, published source is provided. --Bejnar (talk) 21:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Tanoli

Tanolis are the richest tribe of Hazara in terms of land ownership. They are the largest in population. Upper Tanawal and Lower Tanawal which cover the greater part of Hazara have been ruled by Tanolis for centuries. They have ruled the state of Amb of Hazara since the beginning of 18th century. During the late 17th century, Turks were overthrown by Swati in areas of Upper Hazara. Tanolis, however, remained loyal to the Turks until the end of latters rule in Hazara. Tanolis were later involved in the rebellions against the Sikhs in the 19th century. They also allied with Ahmed Shah Abdali in his conquest of India. Many Khans and princes of their dynasty have gained mass popularity as heroes,Charles Allen referred to them in his book Men who made the North-West Frontier as extremely hostile and powerful pashtun Tanolis of the Tanawal Mountains brave and hardy and accounted for the best swordsmen in Hazara. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.3.157.159 (talk) 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

"Zarghoona Alakozai" Mother Link to wiki page "Alakozai"

Page is semiproteced (and I don't have a wiki account) could someone with a account add a link "Zarghoona Alakozai" to the "Alakozai" wiki pag http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alakozai . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.113.47 (talk) 12:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

But you should treat the descendants of Nader Shah with kindness." The young Ahmad Shah's response was, "May I be sacrificed to you. Should your majesty wish to slay me I am at your disposal. There is no cause or reason for saying such words!".

Birthplace

As per Willem Vogelsang's book named Afghans, Mohmed Zaman Khan, father of Ahmed Shah Abdali was born at Multan (page 222). From around 1720, he was the ruler of Abdalis centered at Herat (page 223). Vogelsang also tell that Ahmed shah was born at Herat in 1722 (Page no. 228 in the book) --Vssun (talk) 15:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Vogelsang doesn't say that he was born there, it says that his family came from there. It is silent as to where he was born. --Bejnar (talk) 05:54, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Please see this page 228 of the book. It clearly say that "Born in Herat in 1722, he belonged to Sadozay branch of Popalzay tribe of the Abdali Confederacy". --Vssun (talk) 11:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

One source is not sufficient. Where did get his information? His birthplace is a matter of contention. Until the matter is settled, it doesn't belong in the article. When things are contested, the appropriate action is to discuss them, examine the sources and try to reach a consensus. --Bejnar (talk) 07:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Apart from the source given by me, both the sources 1 & 2, referred at top are more reliable than the current citations given in the article. As summarised from this talk, I think the britanica itself not sure about Multan. However I don't want to make any change in article. But it is better to add one line about Herat in the notes section. Thanks.--Vssun (talk) 13:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I added that his father was governor of Herat from this source. However, I didn't make any change in the birthplace, since more sources seem to corroborate Multan. MassaGetae(talk) 09:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

References for Herat are:

1. The Afghans (2002) By Willem Vogelsang. Page 228 [3]
2. Conflict in Afghanistan: a historical encyclopedia By Frank Clements. Page 79 [4]
3. Inside Afghanistan: end of the Taliban era? By L. R. Reddy. Page 64. [5]
4. Ahmad Shah Durrani: father of modern Afghanistan By Ganda Singh. Page 18
5. Tareekh-e Ahmad Shah Baba, Ghulam Mohammad Ghobar (1943)
6. Afghanistan, Volumes 20-22 By Anjuman-i Tārīkh-i Afghānistān. Page 59
   etc.

References for Multan are:

1. Encyclopaedia Britannica (Online Edition) – Ahmad Shah Durrani...Link
2. Imam- ud-Din al-Hussaini. Tarikh-i-Husain Shahi, p. 11

MassaGetae(talk) 09:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Like I said before most of these references for Herat are not academic and none can match Britannica. Three of them are books in Persian and might not have this information in it. using sources from google is good but it does not mean every book on google is academic and should be used. There are many books on google which support the current theory that he was born in Multan but because they are non scholarly books they aren't used in the article. Here is some examples [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]--Inuit18 (talk) 09:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Some of the sources in the article are not for Multan, and it is better to add information about Herat as well. Thanks, MassaGetae(talk) 09:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

It is enough. Thanks. --Vssun (talk) 13:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

The theory about Abdali being born in Herat has not been confirmed with a reliable source. most of these books have no academic backing. The only theory that has been confirmed by orientalists is the current one (him being born in Multan).Hussain al Munshi Shirazi, Ahmad Shah's court historian in Tareekh-e Ahmad Shahi (Ahmad Shah's history) has also written that Ahmad Shah was born in Multan (this is a primary source).--Inuit18 (talk) 20:18, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

To MassaGetae,

1. Encyclopaedia Britannica states: born 1722?, Multān, Punjab [now in Pakistan], or Herāt [now in Afghanistan]) died Oct. 16, –23?, 1772, Toba Maʿrūf, Afg. http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9004137/Ahmad-Shah-Durrani
2. Can you please provide a link to the book (Imam- ud-Din al-Hussaini. Tarikh-i-Husain Shahi, p. 11) where it mentions Ahmed Shah being born in Multan. I tried hard finding this but was unable to. Dr. Singh states in his book that Ahmed Shah was born in Herat and uses Imam-uddin al-Hussaini's Tarikh-i-Hussain Shahi of 1798 as one of the references.

“ Other important Persian source Dr Ganda Singh had used include Mahmud-ul-Musanna's Tarikh-i-Ahmad Shahi 1753. It deals with the first three invasions of Ahmad Shah. Imam-uddin al-Hussaini's Tarikh-i-Hussain Shahi 1798, is a history of the Durranis from the time of Ahmad Shah to 1798. ”

1. Also, I am unable to locate this book (al munshi, P: "Tarikh Ahmad Shahi", page 30. Kaweh, 2000) that's used as a reference for Multan.

Thanks, Ahmed shahi (talk) 11:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Here are two links which confirms Tarikh Ahmad Shahi is a primary source. Tarikh Ahmad Shahi is a primary source written by Ahmad Shah Durrani's personal historian and secretary and no where in this book does it mention Herat as Abdali's birthplace.[11] [ [12] --Inuit18 (talk) 22:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

To Inuit18, the 2 links you provided cannot verify the statement in the article and this book (Tarikh-e Ahmed Shahi) you rely on was written in 1384 (2005-2006), therefore, not a primary source. It is the year 1388 right now in Iran and Afghanistan. Those links are to unreliable junk websites. The only primary sources are that of which Dr Ganda Singh had used in 1959 which states Ahmed Shah was born in Herat. This is why most contemporary book writers such as Willem Vogelsang, L. R. Reddy, Frank Clements, and others similarly claim he was born in Herat rather than saying Multan. I hope you understand my point, Ahmed shahi (talk) 07:36, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

You are clearly trying to back your own POV. it seems you have not visited the links I have given you. One is a picture of the same book published in Europe and the other is a Persian book store selling the same book published in Iran. Here is another source which confirms Tarikh Ahmad Shahi's authenticity and it being a primary source: "al-Hussaini, Mahmud ibn Ibrahim. 1974 [c. 1773]. Tarikh-i Ahmad Shahi. 2 vols. Ed. D. Saidmuradov. Moscow. U.S.S.R. Academy of Sciences." [al-Hussaini, Mahmud ibn Ibrahim. 1974 [c. 1773]. Tarikh-i Ahmad Shahi. 2 vols. Ed. D. Saidmuradov. Moscow. U.S.S.R. Academy of Sciences.]. This link also explains a little about this history and how it was written in Abdali's court.[13] --Inuit18 (talk) 22:34, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Ahmad Shahi I am going to remove this statement since you haven't provided us any source that could verify this: "Other important Persian source Dr Ganda Singh had used include Mahmud-ul-Musanna's Tarikh-i-Ahmad Shahi 1753. It deals with the first three invasions of Ahmad Shah. Imam-uddin al-Hussaini's Tarikh-i-Hussain Shahi 1798, is a history of the Durranis from the time of Ahmad Shah to 1798.[16] ". This source is not enough "^ Punjab History Conference, thirty-second session, March 17-19, 2000: proceedings. P.83". You can add this back to the article when you post the exact page where the author wrote that he used this primary source.--Inuit18 (talk) 22:41, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I read Ghobar's book today and the only primary source he used was Tarikh Ahmad Shahi by Al-Hussaini and he used this source for Ahmad Shah's first invasion of India not for his Birthplace. Until you fail to provide us additional sources which confirms this, it cannot be added to the article.--Inuit18 (talk) 22:50, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

To Inuit18,

1. I'm explaining to you once again that Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable secondary sources ([14]) so please stop asking me to provide primary sources or such, and please stop removing properly sourced quotation from the article. That quotation you keep removing comes from a reliable secondary source
2. Saying stuff like I have a book here with me and it states such and such is orignal research and not allowed in Wikipedia. I'm certain that you do not have Ghobar's book. You don't even know the correct book's name, which is Tareekh-e Ahmad Shah Baba (1943) by Ghulam Mohammad Ghobar and it has to have Ahmad Shah's birth place. It makes so sense not to, and if you have this book tell us the answer and provide the page number.
3. That other book information you are posting twice above is useless because it cannot be verified. It may be another fake non-existing book information.
4. I have no idea what you mean when you say: "Here is another source which confirms Tarikh Ahmad Shahi's authenticity and it being a primary source..." Tarikh Ahmad Shahi's only translates to History of Ahmad Shah. Many different books by different authors are named Tarikh Ahmad Shahi's so what are you saying. Please understand that I don't care where he was born, the article needed to mention both. Before I started editing it only mentioned Multan and Britannica link was used the reference, but Britannica stated Multan or Herat and that's when I decided to add Herat. I hope you understand my point

Thanks, Ahmed shahi (talk) 10:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

removal of fake references that cannot be verified

I'm going to remove this sentence "Ahmad Shah Durrani's court historian Mahmoud Al-Hussain Al-Munshi wrote that he was born in Multan in Ahmad Shah's history (Tarikh Ahmad Shahi)" because the reference provided al munshi, P: "Tarikh Ahmad Shahi", page 30. Kaweh, 2000 appears as a fake, non-existing and cannot be verified. Ahmed shahi (talk) 10:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

You are being ignorant. I have given you many sources that verify the existence of this source. If you remove this source one more time you will be reported. You accuse me of adding fake references while you are unable to verify your own sources.--Inuit18 (talk) 20:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Control yourself buddy, no need to call me names. The statement "Ahmad Shah Durrani's court historian Mahmoud Al-Hussain Al-Munshi wrote that he was born in Multan in Ahmad Shah's history (Tarikh Ahmad Shahi)" in the article has to be verified and you have not done this. I will give you time to do this and in the meantime I will also search for any information relating to this.Ahmed shahi (talk) 10:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 84.238.97.93, 7 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

84.238.97.93 (talk) 23:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC) Ahmad Shah abdali Durrani is from Kandahar, not from multan or herat. Iam from kandahar and I at Kandahar university worked on a project about Ahmad Shah Baba, my project passed. He is from Kandahar, that I know from the project. I am also Abdali. Zahir shah is also from Kandahar, but in wikipedia its written Kabul. Read Afghanistan history books and wwrit the true on internet.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Celestra (talk) 00:40, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The person behind that IP is not even worth replying to. [15] Ahmed shahi (talk) 18:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Ahmad Khan Baba

also known as Ahmad Khan Baba  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.174.154.103 (talk) 19:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC) 

Edit request from Aniket.deole, 31 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Please change the spelling of the "Marhatas" to "Marathas" in the Timeline. You can verify the spelling from this article over here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Panipat_%281761%29 or you can just google the spelling. THank You

Aniket.deole (talk) 16:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done Stickee (talk) 13:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)+

Map

If you want to be taking seriously, you need to use a proper map. The map is not accurate. It states the vassal and territories of Durrani empire. It is highly exaggerated western part are empire and northern part has been added with no references. It is a funny easy made map. where is the source for the map? which reliable book?Vargavandnick (talk) 11:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

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wrong sentence

please change "He defeated the Marathas eight times" to "He invaded the north-western frontiers of india eight times" He defeated marathas only once in the third battle of panipat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santoshke (talk • contribs) 13:04, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

++++++++++Incomplete story++++++++++

This story is incomplete In this article he has been shown as a great warrior which is true but at the same time he was very cruel and looted the people of punjab. Like other Muslim invaders he looted the Indian people and Hindu temples and carried with himself women of Punjab and forcibly raped them. In Punjab there was an idiom very famous " 'Khada Pita Lahe da Rehnda Ahmed Shahe da " It means " What ever you have consumed is only yours balance all will be taken by Ahmed Shah"' Bold text'This face of his life should also be added in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.253.177.232 (talk) 11:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

that's how wars were faught.... especially between hindu/sikhs and muslims... ahmad shah was tennager and train by warlord Nader Shah of persia... hindu women wanted to live in afghanistan so they left with the afghan soldiers... in that time india was full o hyenas, tigers, snakes which killed hinsu and ate them... afghanistan was heaven.. cool weather and no tigers... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.47.172.64 (talk) 21:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)