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Education of Girls

There seems to be some citations regarding "sexual relationship with an older women" at Spartan pederasty under the "Females"-heading.

Rights of Spartan Women

Also interested in the nudity of Spartan women in gymanstics or in public. Such a thing relates to their dominant role (or later mere equality as men gained more rights) and power within a culture. They enjoyed a freedom rare in ancient Greece, so sexual modesty (and shame) wasn't imposed on them by men. About sources of nudity, Euripides' Andromache: "Having laid aside their clothing, having bared their hips, the maidens wrestle with the youths." There seem to be differing translations and dispute about whether it was the more revealing dress than other Greeks, bared breasts or full nudity. Lysistrata by Aristophanes has clearer indication of Spartan nudity, where some wives arrive in Athens, and some Athenian women say "And what a fine set of tits you've got!", begins to feel them, and then note Lampito's "lush bottomland … most elegantly pruned." Am trying to find more sources and discussion about it. Gyuen (talk) 13:36, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Change

I removed the line regarding sacrifice to Eros... not due to it being inaccurate, per se... but because it was irrelevant to the topic. This particular article is about the Agoge--not Spartan battlefield practice. Phoebus Americanos (talk) 07:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Altered text in Structure section referring to inspection by doctors, place of exposition and the age of induction into the agoge to conform to contemporary research and ancient sources. Tylerdurden289 (talk) 13:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Martial Art reference

Removed irrelevant text relating to attempt to resurrect Greek martial arts through rowing exercises. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.124.133 (talk) 12:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added a fact to the structure section (signed by ~toyotale~)(Toyotale (talk) 15:37, 5 April 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toyotale (talk • contribs) 15:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

'Unquestioning in the performance of their duty,"

"Unquestioning in the performance of their duty, Spartan mothers did not give in to sentiment even when faced with a child's death. "I bore him so that he might die for Sparta," one woman said of her son, "and that is what has happened, as I wished."" (Plutarch,"Sayings of Spartan Women")

Aren't the quotes in Plutarch's 'Sayings of Spartan Women' generally considered to be a load of crap? — Preceding unsigned comment added by XBiophagex (talk • contribs) 05:45, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On further research, it seems that source contains other quotes that are almost certainly anti-spartan works of fiction (e.g 'come back with this shield or upon it/either this or upon this'), so I'm removing the claim. unsigned comment added by XBiophagex (talk • contribs) 05:45, 07:26, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article Overhaul

Hi everyone, since January I've been working on improving this article as part of a Wiki.edu project for a course on Sparta. I've done a total overhaul of the structure of the article which you can see in my sandbox here, and added some more information with more reliable and up to date sources. I'll be moving it over to the main page starting today. EKGMachine (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"no evidence"

"There is no evidence that it was used to refer to the Spartan education system until the 3rd century BC" Isn't this line from the lede a bit... disingenuous? Xenophon and Plutarch both attribute the agoge to Lycurgus, who would have been ~6th century BC if not earlier. Whether or not it's a true story, that would be historical evidence. Meanwhile, there are a great many things in history we could say "there is no evidence" of, but that doesn't necessary discredit subtractive assumptions. Is there a more specific claim in the source? 2600:8800:239F:A900:309B:DC6D:FA15:437E (talk) 18:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The comment of Bret Deveraux regarding the Agoge should be removed

The part where Bret Deveraux equates agoge to modern child soldiers should be removed,because it comes from a blog which presents his personal opinion and not a fact,reeks of presentism and bias.Also as per wiki rules breaks neutral point of view. 2A02:587:5508:4900:AD03:5C52:870:6DDB (talk) 23:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]