Talk:Agnès Sorel

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Date

Birthdate differs from Find-A-Grave. Lincher 12:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Differing names

In the text, her children are "de France" while in the text box, they are "de Valois". Which is it? 68.32.50.137 (talk) 14:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)RCC[reply]

Nobility and surnames is a difficult matter. Valois (or Capet, which the Revolutionaries would choose as surname) is the name of the dynasty; but "of France" is usually used as a family name. Bavarian royalty is officially called "von Bayern", which is in their passports; but you can still hear them referred to as "von Wittelsbach", and one who opted out of nobility when the Kingdom still stood was actually given the surname Wittelsbach. Bottom line: both; royalty doesn't have a definite surname. British military knows a "Cpt Harry Wales" by the title of his faither, not a "Harry Mountbatten-Windsor".--2001:A61:2132:A801:5C31:EE11:F51:749D (talk) 16:50, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of nickname "Dame de Beauté"

Just a little correction. The "B" in "Dame de Beauté" has to be a capital letter in French too, I think. The reason is that name was given to Agnès Sorel by the King when he gave her as present the « Château de Beauté-sur-Marne » (Castle of Beauté-sur-Marne). Then Charles VII would tell her « Dorénavant, vous serez ma Dame de Beauté » meaning as well "From now on you are my Lady of Beauty" as well as "Lady of Beauté" if we don't translate the name of the place. Also, it's necessary to say she was reputed to be a really beautiful woman in her time, even the most beautiful woman in Europe would say the courtesans of King Charles VII of France. Crayencour (talk) 00:40, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour Crayencour- Interesting info, thanks for bringing it up. Do you have a source for that Charles quote? I found this in a quick search; note that while the text on the page implies the nickname came from her beauty, a footnote on that same page cites Voltaire as asserting the nickname came from the chateau: Agnès Sorel, Steenackers, 1868. Eric ^talk 01:11, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]