Talk:Agent (The Matrix)

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The recent refinements on this page are very impressive.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Spencerian (talk • contribs) 09:16, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

0.50AE

Someone keeps changing the ammo type used by the Agents from .357 to .50 AE...the DE .50 AE mags are 7 rounds. Several times the Agents are demonstrated to have 9 round mags...therefore indicating .357 ammo.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Spike15 (talk • contribs) 09:13, September 14, 2006 (UTC)

Well, no, actually. The muzzles shown are definitely closer to .50 size then .357 size. Also, the slow-mo cut of Smith firing his second round into Neo's chest at the end of the film quite clearly shows a blank round with a rebated rim, something unique to .50 AE and .440 Cor-Bon. It's not .440, which is bottlenecked and likely wasn't even available at the time of production, so it must be .50 caliber after all.

Magazine capacity counts for nothing inside the Matrix; guns only run dry when it serves to futher the plot. By my count, Smith shot Neo eleven times in Room 303 and still wasn't empty at the end of it. Not even a .357 Desert Eagle can do that in real life. BobBQ 06:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia Removed.

Weapon calibres and details on the NATO specifications of the Minigun in Matrix - 1999 removed.

neither useful for the reader or remotely relevant to the article.

Duttman 11:36:46, 16 February 2008 UTC

Death and Bleeding

Based on information from the game The Matrix Online, an Agent can be destroyed. Note information on that page about an Agent named Skinner. We have not known any Agent in the movies, other game or Animatrix sources to be destroyed, including Smith, whose body was destroyed by Neo, but not his code, which reformed to create the viral sociopath of the Agent. Based on information in other Matrix related pages, Wikipedia editors at this time consider such non-movie materials as canon.

In The Matrix Reloaded, during the highway fight scene between Morpheus and an Agent, Morpheus grazes the Agent's face with a katana, causing a laceration on the Agent's face that does bleed, though not profusely. Obviously, given the magnitude of damage that Agents generally take when fighting Zion operatives, such damage to an Agent is unusual. It could be presumed that Agents are more designed to withstand bludgeoning damage such as from fists, kicks, or clubbing, than from projectile, slashing, or piercing attacks. This makes sense since an Agent's body--including his skin--must still follow some level of rules in terms of the artificial physics of the Matrix. Spencerian 00:16, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if I wasn't just watching closely, but is it just me, or did the blood look silvery? The wound probably heals pretty quickly too, as I remember it being mentioned somewhere. Agreed on the more resistant to bludgeoning statement.138.88.77.67 (talk) 22:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Garbage Truck

After re-watching The Matrix last night, I think something is wrong on the page. Unless i'm rather mistaken, the garbage truck was driven by Agent Smith, not Agent Brown. --J Assassin 06:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strange allegation

This is in the article: "(Zion rebels broadcasting from hovercrafts are not susceptible to possession, most probably due to the wireless nature of their connection)".

But if this is true, how can Smith posses Blane in Matrix Reloaded? The wireless nature of the red pills' connections doesn't seem to have any relevance to this.

Smith is a virus by this time, which can infiltrate anything. Hence his ability to create copy after copy after copy. Ggctuk 12:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Smith was probably able to alter his code in order to allow him to jump over wireless connections somehow. But to be fair, he did have to have direct physical contact with the person's virtual body. 138.88.77.67 (talk) 22:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other Agents - Agent Pace, Red-Eyed and N30 Agents

Could they actually come under this? They are labelled as Agents, after all. And there is probably some info on them on the MxO site or from players. And what about Agent Pace, the first female Agent?

Can we also get a picture of Agents Gray and Pace?

Ggctuk 08:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.72.98.116 (talk) 08:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Affliations

Would be nice if someone could add a bit about their apparent affliations with government agencies such as the Swat teams. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.102.104.196 (talk) 14:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Smith, Jones, and Brown

The names of the agents in the first movie seem to be an allusion to the original Gettier problem. Should this be mentioned in the article?--Grammar Vigilante (talk) 22:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you can implement this without the use of weasel words, then I don't see what harm could be done. But mind you, references will probably be needed so that other users don't delete your inclusion(s) on the basis of it being unsupported nonsense. A Prodigy ~In Pursuit of Perfection~ 12:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dark green suits

Is it safe to assume that the dark green suits described are actually the result of the cinematic green tint of the films? I'm presuming that it is meant to be black. --86.18.165.200 (talk) 17:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It may be a green tint. But in the outdoors car jump scene from Reloaded, the Agents' suits do seem slightly green. Indoors lighting might just amplify it. It makes sense, though. Being agents of the Matrix, I don't see why the Matrix/Architect wouldn't make their suits green. 138.88.77.67 (talk) 22:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ridiculous. They are supposed to be the stereotypical 'men in black' government agent types, the green is indeed a result of the film tint. Skinmeister (talk) 20:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder about this, though. In Reloaded, during the 'Burly Brawl,' when Agent Thompson shows up, there is a shot when Smith is standing across from Thompson. In this shot it is easy to compare the two. Smith clearly has a black suit, but Thompson's appears green (or at least not black like Smith's). If the green suit appearance was an unintentional side effect of the overall green tint of all shots that take place within the Matrix, why doesn't this happen to the same degree to Smith's suit? CNW8835 (talk) 06:15, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agents Jones and Brown

one of the other agents is in Reloaded, he apperes during the fight after Neo talks to the Oracle, talks to one of Smith for a bit, but is then assimilated by Smith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.179.96.4 (talk) 03:01, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Near WP:TNT level

The current version of the article is pure WP:PLOT failing WP:NFICTION with zero references outside lead (and those include SparkNotes...), and the large amount of likely WP:OR such as 'Notable MMO agents' (notable according to whom?), all of which merits consideration of WP:TNT to pretty much everything below the current ToC anyway. The topic of agents in Martix is likely notable (ex. on the relationships of the agents and the humans, and discussion of them as male privilege stereotype, feel free to add more stuff to any further reading etc.) but I believe everything beyond the lead should be deleted as it is unreascuable fancruft. Thoughts? Ping User:Hunter Kahn, User:Toughpigs, User:Hugsyrup. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:56, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: I largely agree - the content is almost entirely uncited and is far too detailed, consisting mostly of OR and 'in-universe' content. The perspective should be tilted more towards real-world elements such as inspiration for the characters, the iconic look of them and impact on popular culture, casting, etc - with some limited description of their in-universe role and abilities, and notable instances of them. I would guess that such an article could be well-sourced, but of course if I'm wrong we'd have to think again. Hug^syrup 11:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: thanks for the ping. I agree with you that the topic is notable, and there's no need for TNT. There is way too much plot on the page, and not enough analysis, but WP:ARTN says that a page on a notable topic should be improved, not deleted. WP:TNT is a last resort. Piotrus, if you're concerned about the way that the article is written... you know that you can just go ahead and edit the article, right? :) -- Toughpigs (talk) 18:53, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So much has been written about the Matrix that it seems possible for there to be significant coverage about agents. Beyond the Matrix on page 90 has this passage here, for example. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 02:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I'm late to this conversation, but really nice work with your recent additions Erik. I agree that this subject is notable and that there are probably myriad sources out there that could be used to expand it, and Erik's additions are a step in the right direction. I also see that Piotrus axed most of the plot summary, which is extremely fair, since as Toughpigs noted, that content was largely unsourced OR and too much in-universe content. I do think this article needs some plot summary describing the Agents role in the films and possibly some text about notable individual Agents (though not nearly to the extent as before), so I would say that the removal of the old content shouldn't be seen as a deterrent if an editor wanted to add some of that in the future, as long as its encyclopedic, sourced, and of appropriate length. — Hunter Kahn 18:52, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]