Talk:Age of Liberty

Cleanup needed

I added the cleanup tag. The article is clearly based off of Encyclopaedica Britannica.

• This is the only artice about the Swedish Age of Liberty, but it starts with a lengthy description of the Great Northern War
• The lead section in no way conforms to WP:LEAD. Leads are supposed to summarize the article
• A major revision is needed to determine whether this article should be about the Age of Liberty (and then remove material that isn't suitable).
• The language needs improvement
• Many words should be check to see if there is an article it should link to
• More standard references are necessary

Fred-Chess 22:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Some views

I second that the Great Northern War should be removed. I also think the part as is presently written could do with some improvement.

"Or, again, a dominant action in any three of the estates might enact laws highly detrimental to the interests of the remaining estate - a danger the more to be apprehended as in no other country in Europe were class distinctions so sharply defined as in Sweden."

Also the second half of this sentence is IMHO dubious. Without being an expert on this period (Swedish or European) I believe class distinctions were sharper in other countries where peasants were serfs.

I have deleted the sentence, wich is as you point out completely noncence. Class distinctions were much greater in eastern europe, and propably in many westeuropean countries as well.

Ive deleted some more as well, that I from my knowledge of the time (that isnt perfect) find wierd, unfactual and doubtable. Feel free to return the content with a good reference (that is not Encyklopedia Britannica 11:th edition).

Heres the text I have deleted:

"...but this provision, which seems to have been designed to protect the lower orders against the nobility, produced evils far greater than those which it professed to cure. Thus, measures might be passed by a bare majority in three estates, when a real and substantial majority of all four estates in congress might be actually against it. Or, again, a dominant action in any three of the estates might enact laws highly detrimental to the interests of the remaining estate - a danger the more to be apprehended as in no other country in Europe were class distinctions so sharply defined as in Sweden."

--Screensaver 09:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

How very odd to say: "as in no other country in Europe were class distinctions so sharply defined as in Sweden". The class distinctions were terrible in all countrys in those days, but much less in Sweden than in most countrys in the 18th century. Peasants where not represented at all in most nations then; rather, they where serfs, while serfdom never excisted in Sweden. --85.226.235.208 (talk) 13:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Move to Age of Liberty?

The title of this article is not very good - "Sweden after the Great Northern War" dosent say wery much about the period in question. If I may have a guess, its just a copypaste from a header in Encyklopedia Britannica 11:th edition.

A better title would be Age of Liberty (Sweden). Age of Liberty is what all schoolchildren learn to call this period of history in primaryschool. Its the most common used name for the time.

So, what I suggest is that we:

• Move this page to "Age of Liberty (Sweden)"
• Limit what it covers to the period 1720 (Fredrik I becomes king) to 1771 (Gustav III becomes king)
• As a result of the point above delete (or move to an other aricle) the section about the Great Northern War.

Good idea or bad idea? Comments?

--Screensaver 09:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

New version

Im (slowly) working on a new version of this article. Since this copy of Encyclopedia Britannica isnt such a good start to biuld on, Ive started all over. The verision Im working on is availible at User:Screensaver/Age of Liberty.

Feel free to contribute and comment! All help is always usefull.

--Screensaver 16:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)