Talk:African Grove

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A fact from African Grove appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 August 2005. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the African Grove theater was founded by free blacks in New York City in 1821—when New York was still a slave state—and that it launched the career of the great black Shakespearean actor Ira Aldridge?

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If someone wants to track down

Shane White. Stories of Freedom in Black New York. Cambridge: Harvard University Press. 2002.

the second chapter, "Staging Freedom," is apparently about the African Grove.

BTW, I seem to have been randomly logged out by the server; the above remark and also the three anonymous edits in the article immediately following those credited to me are mine. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:58, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Website Notation Update

I moved a page related to this article to a different section of my site. The section dealing with this topic can now be found at: http://www.igranick.com/archives/african_theatre/

Thanks

ian

Thanks. I simplified the citations a bit, let me know if you feel the new citations are in any way incorrect. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing anonymous edit

I don't know what to make of this edit. It seems well-intentioned, but confused about the ref/note wiki syntax (which I have fixed). It is the sort of edit that really should be accompanied by a talk page comment, because it implicitly says that an earlier writer was wrong. And something seems a bit "off" in the resulting wording. To make the issues clear what it seems to be claiming is:

By changing "Odell, George. National Advocate, 21 September, 1821, cited by Gonzalez & Granick" to "Noah, Mordecai. National Advocate, 21 September, 1821", the anon seems to be claiming to have actually had his/her hands on this 1821 periodical article, not seen it cited elsewhere. By changing the author from Odell to Mordecai, he/she seems to be saying that Gonzalez & Granick's attribution of author (which I just checked: it's theirs, not some errant Wikipedian's) was incorrect.
Similarly, the next note cites a different issue of the National Advocate and makes a (rather vague) citation of "George Thompson's A Documentary History"). I presume that is A Documentary History of the African Theatre, Northwestern, 1998, ISBN 0-8101-1461-5.
"others claim George Thompson points to Mordecai Noah as identifying him as Charles Taft" is very confusing: (unnamed) others claim that George Thompson points to Mordecai Noah as identifying the actor as him as Charles Taft (rather than Hewlett)?

Sole contribution from this IP address, which is not usually a good sign. Tracking down an 1821 periodical to verify the first part of this would probably be very hard, and verifying that "others claim" something is impossible. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was just as confused by the edit. I thought maybe the 1821 source was found on something like Project Gutenberg or Google Books, but a search of the web and books.google.com has not turned up anything, even in Selected Writing of Mordecai Noah. If the confusing information contradicts info from a more established contributor (an anon with several edits, or a logged-in user), I'd be inclined to revert. — BrianSmithson 22:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citations and other editing

I agree that Odell should be referred to within the Gonzalez & Granick cite. Because of changes and recommendations in WIKI MOS, I changed the method of citations and edited some to make the article sound less like a literary essay ("according to so-and-so in such-and-such"), which interrupted the flow of the article. Also put cites closer to their material, i.e., content on date of revolution by Caribs, as it was confusing to try to follow who cited what. Looks like James Hewett deserves his own article, as do other leading black actors discussed by Errol Hill (and noted in Williams' review cited in the article) who played Othello: Morgan Smith (actor), Paul Molyneaux, Benjamin J. Ford, J.A. Arneaux, and Edward Sterlng Wright. Plenty of work for people interested in theater.Parkwells (talk) 16:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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