Talk:Adele Goodman Clark

New article

More to come! I have a bunch of sources open in my browser but it is late here. One thing I'm not sure of: should her name have an accent grave? Some sources show it that way and others do not. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:45, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Image

There's also this image of Clark and Houston, but I was less sure about the copyright status; I thought it would be PD, but I erred on the side of caution with the earlier image. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:08, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

LGBT

A straightforward statement of lesbianism would be useful, rather than some circumstantial evidence and the word "partner". Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 04:06, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if she was lesbian or bisexual. Aside from the sources in the article there is also this (and another by historian Harry Kollatz Jr.). If Clark were alive it's possible she might not choose to identify this way, but now we have only the best conclusions of historians. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, and this - it cites an article I don't have access to, unfortunately, but seems to provide more support for this categorization. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

How she would choose to identify herself isn't the issue I don't think. My concern is that a stickler for such categorizations will challenge the LGBT categories. I'll check the citations you've provided. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 23:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

The Boswell book is enigmatic, mentioning "long-term partnerships" but only identifying a different pair of women as "romantic partners". The Kollatz article uses the term partner and dates from 2010. I think by 2010 the word "partner" has an unmistakable meaning, but in the past I've had categories challenged because a NY Times obituary in 1991 called someone Larry Kert's "companion". In that case I found a more explicit source.

Now that I've reviewed the works cited, I'd say the LGBT categories are questionable/uncertain based on the evidence available, even if likely correct. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 00:23, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

What about the Swisher source discussed in the OutHistory link and the Marschak and Lorch book cited? (Also, could you clarify - are you worried that someone else will challenge it? If so, why not just wait until they do?) –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:41, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I just like staying with the evidence and not enlarging upon it. One avoids lost effort by documenting things well in the first place while focused on the sources. My suggestion was and is that if you have a good way to document the LGBT categorization you do so. I don't think you do yet. Whether the categories are challenged or not, a smart reader can see the issue has not be addressed. Marshak and Lorch say Clark and Houston shared a love of art and writing and "lived as companions", whatever that means. You can use the OutHistory article to say that Clark participated in "a fairly comfortable gay social life...Richmond’s private home-centered gay social scene," but the article actually fudges the interpenetration of the gay scene and the arts scene. I think a more honest assessment would be to say what you do know (companions, housemates) and make it clear that that is as far as the evidence allows us to go. Your call. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 02:27, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Categories

I've restored the LGBT categories as sources seem to uncontroversially report women (like Houston) as her life partners. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:13, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Categories

categories "jewish american artists" "jewish american activists" and "lgbt jews" should be removed and replaced with "american people of jewish descent"

The article itself says that she was an episcopalian convert to roman catholicsm. she never identified as jewish nor followed the jewish religion.

The Richmond magazine source has been trumped by the other sources in the article, proving her to be an episcopalian convert to roman catholicsm, not jewish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.18.9.197 (talk) 18:59, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

I have to think that the Richmond Magazine is editorializing a bit ("nominally Jewish" because her mother was) - the finding aid for her papers says that she was baptized and confirmed Episcopalian. (She's also buried in an Episcopal cemetery, so I don't know what the deal is there; it's not the cemetery her father is in, but her mother is in a Jewish cemetery.) While I recognize Wikipedia's tendency to under-categorize Jews who have never adhered to any other religion and just say they are "of Jewish descent" or "born to Jewish parents" and so on, I think it is reasonable to leave that category off of a subject who spent her entire life being a different religion. @Drmies: I have no idea where in Montgomery she was born/grew up, sorry. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:39, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Roscelese, would you mind editing/tweaking the categories as you see fit? Thank you, Drmies (talk) 21:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)