Talk:Adam Stanisław Grabowski

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restoring entry, which was chopped up by User:Radeksz

I chopped it up because what you're doing is inserting an alternative version of the article on the talk page complete with 'External links' and the like. That's not what a talk page is for.radek (talk) 18:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Please do not post alternate, POV fork, versions of this article on the talk page.radek (talk) 09:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

If you think, that it is advisable to post Adam Stanislaus Grabowski on the Adam Stanisław Grabowski site directly, instead on the discussion, I will be glad to do that.

No, I don't think that. I don't think the talk page is a place for it either. I also don't think you should create a POV fork.radek (talk) 19:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The article as it stands now Adam Stanisław Grabowski is merely a piece written to disinform the readers. It needs translation into English and into factual names, places etc and it needs a massiv de-POVing.

It already is written, in English, don't be daft. It has factual names, places, etc. Discuss proposed changes on the talk page and make sure you stick to agreed upon Wiki naming conventions.radek (talk) 19:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Therefore the Adam Stanislaus Grabowski article needs to stay, until the many faults of the Adam Stanisław Grabowski are corrected.

Recent Changes

• At first, I'm not identical with the IP above.
• Alt Rosenthal and Rastenburg were NOT part of Warmia, but part of the Kingdom of Prussia. Per Gdansk vote contemporary names should be used. (In fact the Endersch map shows clearly, that even inside Warmia the modern Polish names were not used)
• Please explain the removal of sourced content. 84.139.232.105 (talk) 08:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

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Warmia/ Ermland in Prussia used German Language and the part of Ermland under the bishops government Bishops of Warmia was an exempt bishopric, directly under the pope and several time throughout the centuries it was recorded and respected by even the 'Polish' prince-bishops that it is a German (language) people diocese, throughout its centuries, even at the time in connection with the 'kings of Poland-Lithuania' protectorship (Schutzherrschaft).

When you look closer at what is happening at Wikipedia, you will find, that a large number of Polish-speakers, a number in USA, have nearly completely taken over the Wikipedia and as much as they can get away with, turned everything into Polish, or should be/have been Polish. By constant removals and outright deletions, by twisting and turning, by intimidations and threats of banning, that large group is making sure that Polish POV is distributed and spread. Most people with factual knowledge differing from that group have given up or are giving up after a while. An Observer (70.133.65.7 (talk) 21:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC))

There are naming conventions/guidelines for Wikipedia. Please adhere to these. If you find instances in the article which are not in accordance with these guidelines then please indicate so. Changing everything into German and calling it "English" is NOT in accordance with these guidelines. Also please register.radek (talk) 23:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC

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Stanisław is an English name ???. I cannot even type it on my keyboard. The only way I can show it, like I did here, is by copying it from some Polish text like the Adam Stanisław Grabowski article at Wikipedia. Can you show that Adam Stanislaus Adam Stanislaus Grabowski, who was born in Prussia, has on his birth certificate the name Stanisław ??? Writing a bunch of articles in mostly Polish (with some English sprinkled in) and adding Polish names everywhere, pretending that nearly all of Europe was/is/or should be Polish is not what the guidelines for Wikipedia say either. An Observer (70.133.65.7 (talk) 19:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC))

Stanisław is as much an English name as Johann - it's not John Sebastian there is it? As far as not being able to type it on your keyboard, well, I can't type François on mine either. But it's still François Mitterrand not Frankie Mitterrand. And so on. Again, there are naming conventions which have been agreed upon and they need to be observed. And no one's "pretending that nearly all of Europe was/is/or should be Polish" - don't try to troll.radek (talk) 23:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Dear User:Radeksz, first off, I am constantly observing, that people get attacked in various forms at Wikipedia (perhaps for not agreeing with the Polish versions, which usually clash very much with the standard historical literature). You also have a disturbing habbit of completely removing discussion and references. I looked at several of your 'habbits. and I finally removed one of your trolling remarks above.

Also, I copied and pasted Stanisław in the Wikipedia search, since you insist, that Stanisław is an English name. Well, guess what happens??? You get redirected to Stanislav.

Seems to be a pretty clear sign, that Stanisław is N O T an English name, don't you think?? Or would you still want to claim, that Stanisław is an English name??? (70.133.65.7 (talk) 01:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC))

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Dear unregistered anon, there's no "Polish version" of Wikipedia unless you mean [1]. But this isn't it. And having Stanisław instead of Stanislaus in this article is no more proof of some Polish conspiracy than having François instead of Frankie in the article on Mitterrand is a proof of a French one, or of Johann Sebastian Bach rather than John Sebastian Bach a proof of a German "version".radek (talk) 03:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, I copied and pasted Stanisław in the Wikipedia search, since you insist, that Stanisław is an English name. Well, guess what happens??? You get redirected to Stanislav.

Well, then you should create one.radek (talk) 03:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be a pretty clear sign, that Stanisław is N O T an English name, don't you think?? Or would you still want to claim, that Stanisław is an English name??? (70.133.65.7 (talk) 01:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC))

Actually come to think of it I've met several Americans who were named 'Stanisław', with a 'ł' and a 'w' but I've yet to meet a single Hans, though I'm sure they exist. And please don't delete my comments, which unlike yours, do not violate Wiki talk page guidelines.radek (talk) 03:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Any source that Grabowski used to use the name Stanisław?Xx236 (talk) 15:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC) http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bgrabo.html says Stanisław and he was a priest in Gniezno.Xx236 (talk) 15:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC) Text adressed to the bishopXx236 (talk) 15:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Plese check, site catholic -hierarchy is solely a private site and is not officially sanctioned [2] (70.133.67.155 (talk) 06:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC))

So what ?'Xx236 (talk) 09:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

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(Why are references on portraits, documents about this Prince of the Holy Roman Empire and his parents and wife systematically removed by groups of 77. or 213.#s, Nihil, Piotr etc.?)

Bust of Adamus Stanislaus in Grabowo Grabowski

Enlarge and r e a d inscription on the bust of Adam Stanislaus in Grabowo Grabowski

Adam Stanislaus of Grabowo (Grabau) (Latin: Adamus Stanislaus Grabowski; Gross Butzig, district of Schlochau, (now Wielki Buczek) was a Prince of the SRI Holy Roman Empire, a Bishop of Culm (Bishop of Chełmno) 1736–39, Bishop of Kujawy 1739–41 and Prince-Bishop of Warmia 1741–66.

Life Grabowski was of the Goetzendorf-Grabowski (earlier Goetzendorff- czu Grabow) family and the son of Andreas Theodor Grabowski, district court assessor of Schlochau and his wife Barbara Sophia, daughter of Rittmeister von Kleist Adam Stanislaus attended Jesuit schools in Konitz and Thorn (now Chojnice and Toruń), then studied law in Rome. For a time he was a court scribe in Schoeneck (Skarszewy), then was secretary to Crown Deputy Chancellor Andrzej Lipski and became an official in the Crown Chancellery. (70.133.67.155 (talk) 06:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC))

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