Talk:Ace (military)
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[edit]"Ace, when used in military context, denotes a successful military professional."
What exactly is the source of this definition? If in Robertson, could we get a more precise page than the 26-page range? Thanks, Srnec (talk) 13:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I hate to be an ass, but if we're going to be awfully picky about explicit discussion of the concept of a submarine ace, then we can't just decide on our own that because we know the term is used to refer to fighter pilots, submariners and tank commanders it is a general concept. Srnec (talk) 01:13, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Red barron
[edit]Parking here as this looks like OR/SYNTH to me:
- In particular, there are comparisons in Newspapers between World War I flying Ace Baron Von Richtofen known as "The Red Baron" and tank ace Michael Wittman, referred to as "The Black Baron".[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]
References
- ^ "There were red and black before UN blue" [Final Edition] The Ottawa Citizen [Ottawa, Ont] 28 Apr 2005: A18.
- ^ Canada's army of yesteryear: [Final Edition]The Windsor Star [Windsor, Ont] 09 May 2005: A9.
- ^ "Tommy Who Killed Black Baron Edition 2]." 2010.The Daily Telegraph, May 15, 14.
- ^ "'Black Baron' debate resumes" 18 May 2010 Regina Leader Post
- ^ Allister Hagger "Revealed after 66 years... the hero who ended Nazi tank ace's reign of terror" The Daily Express 15 May 2010 p35
- ^ Chris Wattie "Canadians, not British, clipped Nazi: 'Black Baron': New book says British historians got it wrong" National Post 26 April 2005
- ^ "British granddad may have killed Black Baron" The Telegraph 15 May 2010
Originally was in "Panzer ace" in popular culture.
K.e.coffman (talk) 02:29, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
- That looks like OR/SYNTH, but the first sentence does not? Srnec (talk) 03:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
- I remember when this came up on Wittman's bio article and as I said then: Google does not have anything of substance and this is what Google books shows: "The Black Baron: The Strange Life of Gilles de Rais". Not the same as the "Red Baron" moniker. Kierzek (talk) 17:36, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
"Infantry Aces"
[edit]I removed citation to Franz Kurowski as non RS. I will add some material from The Myth of the Eastern Front where this book is discussed. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:07, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- It was there not so much for its contents, but to show the topic has received cultural\popular coverage (there are a few other such citations, including to movies/popular books, as a primary source of popular coverage). Your ref, if covering this in a secondary manner is much better. I will note that some of my editing here in the article as a whole was as a rough outline. While primary popular, cultural, human interest, and propaganda abound.... Secondary sources are harder to find here, partially since they are flooded out by thepopular primaries.Icewhiz (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- Well, the name of "Infantry Aces" was generated by J.J. Fedorowicz; these books by Kurowski appeared in German under different names. I think Fedorowicz just took "Highly decorated soldiers" and converted that to "Aces". K.e.coffman (talk) 19:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Icewhiz: I've looked and the source really does not really cover the concept of "aces" as defined by Kurowski; it was more of a discussion of the books. I've added them to "See also". K.e.coffman (talk) 22:08, 12 May 2017 (UTC)