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Page title

Should there be a space between dell' and Arte in the title of this article? In the first sentence it's spelled as one word: dell'Arte. I'm not so familiar with Italian spelling, but my inclination tells me that perhaps a page move is in order. --DLand ^TALK 18:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let's ask Giano. --Wetman 20:03, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Without, surely? The Italian interwiki is it:Galleria dell'Accademia, but that article refers to l'antica Accademia delle Arti del Disegno. See also the official website for the Galleria dell'Accademia.

The German interwiki goes to de:Accademia dell' Arte del Disegno, but should we expect the Germans to write Italian better than the Italians? -- ALoan (Talk) 21:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Without! Giano | talk 21:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here goes, then... --DLand ^TALK 22:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Which is better - Accademia dell'Arte del Disegno or Accademia delle Arti del Disegno? -- ALoan (Talk) 22:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My view (having not contributed a word to the page - I hesitate to have a view) is that the page should be at "Accademia di Belle Arti di Firenze" [1]. With all these other pages with varying names and spaces and plurals left as redirects; but I see that page is already a redirect here. "di Firenze" is important to avoid confusion woth "di Venezia", "di Roma" and "di Brera". Giano | talk 08:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If nobody seems to be sure of the full Italian title, how about we rename this article to simply Accademia (Florence) and what is currently Accademia to Accademia (Venice)? No ambiguity there. HAM 17:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

At Giano's link above http://www.accademia.firenze.it/, the official website for the institution, the page is headed "Accademia di Belle Arti Firenze", thus it would be hard to maintain that nobody seems to be sure of the full Italian title. --Wetman 00:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just the single "di", though, like the ungrammatical World Museum Liverpool and National Museum Cardiff? Past the splash page it's referred to as "L’Accademia di Belle Arti di Firenze". HAM

11:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And that's before you get onto "Firenze". WP:ENGLISH would probably dictate that should be changed to Florence, and that would be supported by WP:COMMONNAME - nobody in English calls it the AdBA Firenze. If nothing else the Firenze should be knocked off, Accademia di Belle Arti is currently a redirect here and would be a better home for the main article. Qv the Galleria degli Uffizi, whose Wiki article is at Uffizi.FlagSteward (talk) 11:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Different image

I have swapped the image used in this article with the one in David (Michelangelo) because I think that it improves both of them … it's more of a technical than aesthetic decision, based on looking at both pages at 1024x786 screen size using both Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox.

I was editing the David article, and the aspect ratio (tall and thin) was incongruous with the other two images in the article ... because of the {{sculpture}} used to display it, which forces the name of the city and the museum to be on the same line, the width of the displayed box is determined by the combined length of the two text strings ... the result forces the image and caption to spill into the section below at some screen resolutions ... the captions of each one point to the other, which is what gave me the idea to swap them.

There is also a difference in where this spillage occurs based on which browser is used, so I had both pages open in tabs in both browsers so that I could compare the four combinations ... I am also very sensitive to the fact that many public access terminals are constrained to 1024x768 resolution, and the size of the image makes a much bigger difference at that screen size than it does at 1600x1200, which is what a lot of editors have at their home or office ... I tend to work at 1280x1024, but will occasionally switch to 800x600 mode in order to experience what a lot of readers using legacy PCs will see, and that is why images should not be larger than 250 pixels wide ... try it yourself on several pages, and you'll see what I mean.

Anyway, because the captions on the images of the statue in both articles point to each other, the same image should not be used for both ... if Some Other Editor does not like the change, then please revert both articles rather than just restoring one of them.

Happy Editing! —72.75.100.232 07:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Errata Corrige

The Accademia di Belle Arti ("Academy of Fine Arts") is an art academy in Florence and it's definitely not the still existing Accademia delle Arti del Disegno ("Academy of the Arts of Drawing"), Italy. The Accademia di Belle Arti, as an operative branche of the still existing Accademia delle Arti del Disegno, is the result of the split operation menaged in the 1784 by the granduca Pietro Leopoldo di Lorena on the first founded Accademia e Compagnia delle Arti del Disegno – Arts of Drawing Academy and Company. Moreover the foundation date was uncorrect. The right one is 13 january 1563. --Anabasi (talk) 21:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is the Accademia di Belle Arti (Rome) associated with this famous institution? One link redirected here implies so. (I misplaced which one. At english wikipedia there are hits for Accademia di Belle Arti Rome, also de, delle; also Roma.) I found this hoping to provide a link at Evaline Ness.)

It seems to me that like "Museum of Fine Arts" in American English there may be multiple independent ones with the same name. --P64 (talk) 21:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Rv unreferenced additions

How can i add those? i used the italian entry as a base but i'm not really good with how to use wikipedia, can you copy those from the italian page and reupload the content? i can't even access that translation anymore so i would have wasted two hours of work on translating D:

IP editor, there were two problems with your edits: they were completely devoid of citations to any independent reliable source; and the content in the it.wp article seems to have been copied from this non-free page, so your translation was also a copyright violation, I'm afraid (which is why your edits are no longer visible). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:36, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page Improvement Updates Reverted

I made some updates to the page by categorizing the history by century and enhancing the top section with valuable information. Unfortunately, these changes have been reverted by at 14:10, 18 August 2024 (Restored revision 1178104810) by Justlettersandnumbers. The page now lacks important details, such as the fact that the Academy was the first academy of fine arts in the world. Additionally, the structure of the top section remains poorly organized, which detracts from the page's clarity and completeness. IlEssere (talk • contribs)

IlEssere, the text you added read in part "... the first and oldest art academy in the world. Established in Florence, Tuscany, it has been a cornerstone in the history of Western art and remains one of the most prestigious institutions in Europe. The historical importance of this cultural institution is underlined by its ancient dating and by the characters who have been part of it over the centuries." That is both unsourced and gravely unencyclopaedic – it is blatantly WP:promotional in tone, and riddled with WP:PEACOCK words ('first', 'oldest', 'cornerstone', 'prestigious', 'historical importance', 'underlined', 'ancient dating', 'characters' etc). Wikipedia is written in a neutral or sterile tone, reporting the plain sourced facts without editorial exaggeration or comment of any kind. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Justlettersandnumbers,

I didn’t include a source for this information because I’m still searching for one in English. Would you be open to adding a source in Italian?

I also acknowledge that I may have unintentionally used promotional language by referring to the academy as "prestigious." However, this academy is the oldest fine arts academy in the world. Do you think stating this, with an additional source, would still be considered promotional under WP:promotional?

Lastly, I noticed that my attempt to organize the history section by century was removed. Could you please clarify what was incorrect with that approach? IlEssere (talk) 15:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If IlEssere removes the peacock words and phrases from his revision, and adds the additional source, I see nothing wrong with his desired changes. They are otherwise sourced and look like improvements to me. I appreciate his effort to improve the article. Carlstak (talk) 15:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your feedback, Carlstak. Once I have time, I will add the previous information with the correct reference. IlEssere (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]