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Iowa Update: Jul 17

Judge suspended the 6 week/heartbeat bill in Iowa today. Abortion still legal up to 20 weeks.

AP article HERE 66.85.17.230 (talk) 00:15, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Maine

Maine should be added to the list of states without any gestational age limit. The legislature passed a bill into law which removes the legal barriers for receiving an abortion late in pregnancy if medical reasons require it, by not legislating what those medical reasons are. The governor signed it into law a few days ago. 75.27.37.89 (talk) 09:11, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

That's tricky. No-one gets late-term abortions except for medical reasons, but most states allow medical exceptions. Is your point that most laws are restrictive, so doctors might fear to follow their best judgement, but that will not be a worry in Maine? — kwami (talk) 10:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Obviously no one gets abortions that late for no reason. But legally speaking there's no law against it in a few states. Just like Canada and Australia and New Zealand which have no such legal restrictions, those states still have medical guidelines which physicians are obligated to follow. But those regulations are not set by the government, so they aren't laws. And in the states of Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Colorado, New Mexico, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, New Jersey, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico, abortion is legally unrestricted. And Maine joined that list a few days ago. Honestly we could probably include New York and California, since their laws contain don't define what constitutes "medically necessary", and they contain no criminal penalties. 75.27.37.89 (talk) 21:40, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

This is a worthwhile discussion to have, and as you say it may have broader implications. I don't have the legal expertise to comment further, and anyway we run the risk of OR. Do you have any RS's that reflect your view? — kwami (talk) 22:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Page needs overhaul for extensive changes to Minnesota law

This page has some false, non-germane, and misleading information about Minnesota while omitting some important information.

The first color-coded map of states falsely states that abortion is only legal until viability in Minnesota. It is not; it is legal up to birth with no restrictions of any kind. HF 1, passed earlier this year, overrode the viability statute (the enforceability of which was already in doubt) and SF 2995 repealed it.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?number=HF1&version=0&session=ls93&session_year=2023&session_number=0

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=Senate&f=SF2995&ssn=0&y=2023

Here is the law that included the viability restriction: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/145.412

I also think that the graph that claims that abortion access is protected by the Minnesota state constitution is misleading. I say that because, unlike the constitution of some states, Minnesota’s constitution does not explicitly protect abortion access. Instead, a court decision derived the right from wording that did not explicitly mention abortion. I think that the graph should make that distinction clear.

Moreover, the parental involvement graph should have Minnesota in pink—there is no parental involvement law in Minnesota. That law was also repealed by SF 2995. The same is true of waiting periods, so Minnesota should be yellow in the next graph.

Minnesota also has no mandatory counseling law—at least if that means informed consent—, so that graph needs to be changed.

The paragraph that starts with “On January 28th, 2023, the Minnesota state Senate passed…” mentions “other reproductive medicine,” sterilization, prenatal care, and “contraceptive cost compensation”—topics that are only tangentially relevant to topic—and yet neglected to mention any of the practical consequences of the legislation. Those practical consequences include 1) establishing a statutory right to abortion that would withstand a successful challenge to, or repeal of, the Doe v. Gomez Minnesota Supreme Court decision, 2) eliminating almost any doubt about whether abortion was legal throughout pregnancy, 3) eliminating almost any doubt about whether the right to an abortion withstood the viable status of the fetus, and 4) overriding state laws requiring parental notification for an abortion. Moreover, the inclusion of the right of “contraceptive cost compensation” is dubious—the legislation did not explicitly mention any such right.

https://www.leagle.com/decision/1995559542nw2d171557

The inclusion of Minnesota in the second bullet point under “Notes” is redundant. Abortion is Iegal in Minnesota throughout pregnancy and without regard to viability status, so putting Minnesota in that list only serves to imply that Minnesota restricts abortion at some point in pregnancy. It does not.

Earlier this year the Legislature also repealed laws against coercing women to abort, forcing women to abort, and performing abortions without medical training or licensure. Perhaps the page should address those topics. GrayDuck156 (talk) 00:51, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

South Dakota

South Dakota's section under "Legal Status, Penalty by state" is outdated. It states that both the provider and patient can be punished by up to two years in prison and is sourced by a 2022 trigger ban that went into effect. In 2023 HB 1220 was passed and signed which "provide that a female who undergoes an unlawful abortion may not be held criminally liable." https://sdlegislature.gov/Session/Bill/24248 https://sdlegislature.gov/Session/Bill/24248/251144 2601:246:C200:4054:CDB9:8BE5:E22C:95C3 (talk) 16:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

The Map

The current map looks just bad, it has bright clashing colors and is not pleasant to look at. The map (of abortion law by state) for this page should be more similar to Abortion in Europe's map using a palette that is much softer on the eyes. BluePower101 (talk) 09:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2023

Update map Texas supreme court rules there are no exceptions to abortion law https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4354860-texas-supreme-court-rules-against-kate-cox-in-abortion-case/ 71.173.78.182 (talk) 21:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 22:39, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Addressing Accessibility Issues

As indicated by the two tags at the top of the article, this article's accessibility issues remain after 1.5 years. These issues have impacted readers for too long. To improve, we need colorblind-friendly versions of the article's maps and images. We also need to add alt text. I would like to start a collaborative discussion to determine that I have identified every specific image that needs an addition. I aim to develop a complete list of every issue related to the two tags in order to (a) know what needs to be done and (b) have a reference that anyone can go back to when working towards solving these issues.

The following list is a draft of all the tasks that need to be completed in order to remove those two tags. I am brainstorming and imagine the list is incomplete. Please add additional tasks, criticize current ones, or provide other forms of feedback. If no one comments within the next two weeks, I am going to work down this draft list, task-by-task, until every issue is resolved.

List:

A.) Each of the following maps needs a colorblind-friendly version (9 tasks):

    1.) Gestational Limits Map (Map 1)

    2.) Pre-1973 Map of Laws (Map 2)

    3.) Gestational Limits Map Mexico (Map 3)

    4.) Abortion Access Protections Map (Map 4)

    5.) US Minor Abortion Laws (Map 5)

    6.) US Mandatory Waiting Period Laws (Map 6)

    7.) Pre-abortion Counselling Law (Map 7)

    8.) US Mandatory Ultrasound Laws (Map 8)

    9.) State Abortion Funding Map (Map 9)

B.) Each of the following images needs a colorblind-friendly version (4 tasks):

    1.) Histogram Abortion Gestational Age 2016 (Image 1)

    2.) Abortion Rates 1973-2017 Guttmacher (Image 2)

    3.) Gallup Abortion Opinion Poll (Image 3)

    4.) Ms Magazine Cover Winter 2013 (Image 4)

C.) Each map or image above needs alternative text (13 tasks)

So far, I see a total of 26 tasks that need to be completed. What is missing? What could be removed? Are there other considerations? Let's get this done. Brom20110101 (talk) 22:49, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

make all the images grayscale, just do that, plus add text 2600:1014:A020:FC95:C93E:1EE6:9D0B:B81F (talk) 20:40, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Political Science Research Methods POLS 2399

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 January 2024 and 1 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Lunar2004 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: B.manpas.

— Assignment last updated by B.manpas (talk) 19:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2024

Update the Florida Color to the same dark red as Georgia and South Carolina have. https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/01/florida-abortion-ban-upheld-by-supreme-court-ruling-desantis-heartbeat-law-next/71920329007/ 71.241.135.42 (talk) 21:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

According to that article, it should be the purple that Utah is: 18 wk rather than the 15 we show. In 30 days it will become dark red, if nothing intervenes. — kwami (talk) 03:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hm, 18 weeks is 15 weeks, which is really 12 weeks. So the author or editor of that article doesn't know what the law is. I think we'll wait for a better source. — kwami (talk) 03:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: per Kwamikagami. —Sirdog (talk) 05:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

With regards about Florida

Can anyone please change and update Florida to the six week ban colour?

BlackSun3988 (talk) 04:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Assignment: Abortion and Ethnicity (WGST 2239)

This article may be improved if it expanded on the subsection of “Abortion and Ethnicity.” The statistics themselves do not provide much information on the racial disparities surrounding abortion in the United States. While the purpose of this section seems merely to be providing stats, it could be beneficial to include at least a link to a separate Wikipedia page that explores the reasons for the differences noted in the “Abortion and Ethnicity” section and the significance of such differences. For example, it is valuable to note that Black people have higher rates of abortion largely due to higher rates of unintended pregnancy. Black people have higher rates of unintended pregnancy primarily on account of systemic barriers that limit their access to healthcare and contraceptives. These barriers include economic disparities, less access to consistent and quality education, and fewer opportunities for steady employment, which all together impact their ability to afford and consistently and effectively use contraception. In addition, healthcare provider shortages in predominantly Black communities further limit the availability of reproductive health services. Structural inequalities and discrimination within the healthcare system further aggravate these issues.[1]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2835625/ Wellsew (talk) 10:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

With regards about Iowa

Can someone please change and update Iowa to the six week cutoff? (red color) The heartbeat bill has now been enforced. https://sbaprolife.org/newsroom/press-releases/win-ia-supreme-court-allows-heartbeat-law-to-go-into-effect 69.21.251.222 (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Non-MOS compliant content temporarily removed from article

"This content was inserted in a section titled "Cases" inserted below the "See also" section. Why were articles with no clear connection to each other added to an independent section after the See Also section? Is this supposed to be part of the See Also section?

I am unable to fix it on-demand but. However, I am currently working on an unsafe abortions section for the article and it is likely I will have occasion to incorporate most of the links into that section. Pending that, I have moved the links here for here for now.

The existing section for unintended live births that could include Geri Santoro. There is already a section that links to Sherri Cheseen.

I'm not seeing the conviction of Gerardo Flores as an unsafe abortion case so I will have to do additional research to find content that would justify inclusion in a new or existing section of the article.

Cases

• Becky Bell, an American teenage girl who died as a result of an unsafe abortion in 1988.
• Sherri Chessen, an actress who had difficulty seeking an abortion for her thalidomide-deformed baby in 1962.
• Gerardo Flores, convicted in 2005 on two counts of capital murder for giving his girlfriend, who was carrying twins, an at-home abortion.
• Gianna Jessen, an American woman who was born alive in 1977 after an attempted saline abortion.
• Rosie Jimenez, an American woman who was the first recorded death due to an unsafe abortion after federal Medicaid funds for abortions were removed by the Hyde Amendment in 1977.
• Gerri Santoro, an American woman who died because of an unsafe abortion in 1964.

Ben Azura (talk) 10:17, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Public Opinion section correction request

Under the "Public Opinion section" is states that: "A 2022 poll by the Pew Research Center, found that 47% polled said that women who had an abortion should face a penalty."

However, the referenced Pew Research Center poll says that 47% polled said there should be a penalty for situationa where the abortion occurs illegally. I request that the line be changed to "A 2022 poll by the Pew Research Center, found that 47% polled said that women who had an illegal abortion should face a penalty." 2603:6080:B207:AE70:1423:FE83:94A6:75E8 (talk) 01:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)