Talk:Abdón Prats

Island/Province/Autonomous Community birthplace information for Balearic football players

The Balearic Islands are a province of Spain, an autonomous community of Spain and, strictly from a geographic perspective, an archipelago consisting of four main islands-- Majorca (Mallorca in Spanish and Catalan), Minorca (Menorca in Spanish and Catalan), Ibiza (Eivissa in Catalan) and Formentera. Only the Catalan-language names are official (and thus Ibiza may best be known as such in English as this is also its Spanish name, but only Eivissa is official). The Balearic Islands, in addition, are a "nationality" in Spanish constitutional terms.

In the infobox, given that the "Balearic Islands" constitutes four separate pieces of data-- province, autonomous community, archipelago, and nationality, I have added it to Balearic footballers generally (it should be noted that "Balearic footballers" is already a Wikipedia category, one I had no hand in creating). Readers can interpret the addition as a geographic or political or national heritage indication, or some or all of these. In all cases, readers will note immediately the birth place is not on the Spanish mainland, but is rather something akin to the US equivalent of Hawaii.

One exception I have made is the most important and most numerous exception-- the capital and largest city, Palma or Palma de Mallorca (listed in Wikipedia as Palma, Majorca-- writing it in this fashion was an option, but does not accord with Spanish practice). For Palma, I have merely ensured the full name is listed, such that it is clear that we are referring to the Palma on the island of Mallorca and thus in the Balearic Islands. Similar exceptions can be made for Ciutadella, the largest city on Minorca, which can be made clearly Balearic merely by using the full name Ciutadella de Menorca. Ibiza presents a slightly different case-- it's largest is city, similar to the island itself, is called simply Ibiza (or thus officially Eivissa). Though the question of whether the Spanish/English unofficial name should be used, or the Catalan official name should be used is an interesting one, references to Ibiza, which redirect to Ibiza (town), need not have "Balearic Islands" added for the same reasons as the Ciutadella de Menora or Palma de Mallorca. It's obviously where they are; that is, on Majora, Minorca or Ibiza.

Thus the change as a practical matter only affects relatively small towns whose locations will be unknown even to readers otherwise well acquainted with Spain. RangerRichard (talk) 16:29, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Balearic Islands here and there

1) Most of these players already contain a storyline which leaves very explicit from what region they're from;

2) NONE, absolutely NONE (at least not the correct pages) contain REGIONS in box, only CITY and COUNTRY (displayed as CITY, COUNTRY);

3) BDFutbol is mainly used as a LINK, not as a reference. You can see it in 99,9% of the pages as a link;

4) I'd suggest you to revert yourself your additions, as they were not that relevant and/or only will cause more never-ending discussion;

5) I'd like to clarify that my last message sounded a bit rude, I didn't mention it. I'm sorry if it that (and this too) was true, I'm just too tired. I'm trying to mantain a good standard in the Spanish pages, with some people helping, and this stuff about Balearic Islands is not helping much;

6) About the Spanish players being unique due to their "division" by region: that's not true at all, here in Brazil people do the same (some players even have their state of birth as their nickname - cases of Marcos Rogério Ricci Lopes, Carlinhos Paraíba and many many others), and is much more clear than in Spain (which only narrators/commentators - the same who mislead their past clubs or some other info about the player - speak their regions here and there).

Thanks for your understanding,

MYS77 ^✉ 01:27, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Ah, but thank you for fixing their cities :) But here in WP (at least in the English one) exists something called box compression. We used it to make the box "smaller", and thus clarify all the stuff in the storyline (that's why it exists).

And I and | think in the same way. We should add São Paulo, São Paulo (state) to any box? I don't think so. That's two against one; and these pages who have the region in box should be corrected and the region should be relocated to an intro or to a storyline. Thanks. MYS77 ^✉ 01:42, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

You make an excellent point São Paulo is not a smaller city, and would not benefit from any such treatment.RangerRichard (talk) 01:44, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm not saying that is not helpful. But think like a user, not as an editor. If he/she does not know, what's the main thing he/she'll do? Click on the page, of course! Even with the region being clarified, he'll click in the page anyway. So, according to you, we should add in Neymar the following: Mogi das Cruzes, São Paulo (state), Brazil? Or in Isco: Benalmádena, Province of Málaga, Andalusia, Spain? It's too big and these types of detail can (and should exist), but not in a box made to be tiny. MYS77 ^✉ 01:47, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

That's an argument that could be made for the name "Spain" as well. It simply proves too much.RangerRichard (talk) 01:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

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