Talk:Abbot Kinney

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Legacy Revisited: The Venice Piers

This section really belong under Venice History – not here. But as it is, it should be clarified. This section confuses the Venice (Abbot Kinney) Pier with the two Ocean Park piers - Lick Pier at Navy Street in Venice (south), and the adjacent Pickering Pier at Pier Avenue in Santa Monica (north). It was the adjacent Lick and Pickering Piers that burned in 1924. Venice Pier’s demise came in 1946 when the City of Los Angeles Parks and Recreation Dept refused to renew the Venice Pier's tidelands' lease.Emargie (talk) 22:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Am I missing something? The Ocean Park pier that was burned in 1924 is described in historical accounts as the Kinney enterprise. In 1911 Kinney had the Ocean Park name changed to Venice. What were the piers named? What is the Ocean Park pier of 1924? Is it some other pier that assumed the name of Ocean Park? Or is it a re-reference to Kinney's amusement pier? It really looks like Kinney's pier, under whatever name, was burned again in 1924.--Magi Media (talk) 05:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Kinney pier burned in 1920 and was restored. After that, the Kinney Pier lasted until 1946 when it was dismantled. The Kinney pier was at Windward. The Lick Pier was at Navy Street in Venice (south), and the Pickering Pier was at Pier Avenue in Santa Monica (north). These two piers were not owned by Kinney - they were competitors, owned by Kinney rivals - about a 1/2 mile north of the Kinney Pier. It was the Lick and Pickering piers that burned in 1924 - they were adjacent and the fire spread from one to the other. There were also two "Ocean Parks" - each with its own post office. One Ocean Park became part of Santa Monica and is still called Ocean Park, the other became a city and changed its name to Venice. Emargie (talk) 03:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well. this seems to align with the accounts my mother, a native Los Angelena, made when she told me there were two piers they used to visit in the 30's and 40's that support the Emargie accounts of piers that were not the Kinney Pier. So there you have it. Good show Emargie!--Magi Media (talk) 19:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making the changes, Magi Media. Emargie (talk) 01:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Kinneloa

Pomeroy, Elizabeth (2007). Pasadena: A Natural History. Images of America. Arcadia Publishing. ISBN 9780738555676.
Byles, Stuart Douglass (2014). Los Angeles Wine: A History from the Mission Era to the Present. American Palate. Arcadia Publishing. ISBN 9781614238874.

As mentioned at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lincoln-Villa, Pasadena, California, Pomeroy 2007, p. 58 and Byles 2014, p. 117 tell us what has become of Kinneloa, tell us the actual location, and connect it to Kinneloa Mesa, California, should anyone feel in a writing mood. Uncle G (talk) 06:13, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]