Talk:Aaron Loup/GA1
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Reviewer: Muboshgu (talk · contribs) 13:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC) I'll review this shortly. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC) Okay, enough time has passed. I'm on it. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
- Is it reasonably well written?
- A. Prose quality, no copyvios, spelling and grammar:
- Very good overall, but a few places it could use some tightening up. I'm not sure about the "gained multiple shutouts" comment in the lead, which doesn't appear to be supported by the source, and would be better worded as "recorded" as opposed to "gained". In the personal life section, it says he will "hunt with a gun and fish in the off-season". While I know this doesn't mean he'll hunt with a fish, the sentence could be interpreted as such, and needs a tweaking. Where it mentions that Loup is a southpaw, a wikilink would help so that the non-baseball initiated can understand where that term comes from. "John Farrell, previous Toronto Blue Jays manager," is missing a word. There should be a comma after 1987 for his year of birth. "He played for the Tulane University Green Wave, where he majored in digital design"... Well he attended Tulane and majored in digital design, and also played for the Green Wave.
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- Very good overall, but a few places it could use some tightening up. I'm not sure about the "gained multiple shutouts" comment in the lead, which doesn't appear to be supported by the source, and would be better worded as "recorded" as opposed to "gained". In the personal life section, it says he will "hunt with a gun and fish in the off-season". While I know this doesn't mean he'll hunt with a fish, the sentence could be interpreted as such, and needs a tweaking. Where it mentions that Loup is a southpaw, a wikilink would help so that the non-baseball initiated can understand where that term comes from. "John Farrell, previous Toronto Blue Jays manager," is missing a word. There should be a comma after 1987 for his year of birth. "He played for the Tulane University Green Wave, where he majored in digital design"... Well he attended Tulane and majored in digital design, and also played for the Green Wave.
- B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
- Too many citations in the lead. Per WP:LEADCITE, all of the items in the lead should be in the body, and we should be careful about duplicating citations. Some of the more straightforward facts in the lead don't need to be cited. His "timid and reserved" personality and pitches may need to keep their citations. I also think the bit on the timid personality should be in the third paragragh of the lead, not the first, since it's his baseball and not his personality that make him notable.
- Fixed
- Too many citations in the lead. Per WP:LEADCITE, all of the items in the lead should be in the body, and we should be careful about duplicating citations. Some of the more straightforward facts in the lead don't need to be cited. His "timid and reserved" personality and pitches may need to keep their citations. I also think the bit on the timid personality should be in the third paragragh of the lead, not the first, since it's his baseball and not his personality that make him notable.
- A. Prose quality, no copyvios, spelling and grammar:
- Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
- A. Has an appropriate reference section:
- B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:
- Ref 5 does state that Loup was the Blue Jays' rookie of the year, but doesn't say it was BBWAA who named him as such. It could be the Toronto chapter of the BBWAA, but this isn't clear. (BBWAA should be linked, btw.) The article says that Loup improved when he transitioned to a sidearm approach, but Ref 9 simply says he's a sidearmer (the citation used for the fact in the lead), not that he transitioned to it. But Ref 30 I see does support the transition.
- Fixed Can find indication that the BBWAA does not name team rookies of the year, so I took that out completely.
- Ref 5 does state that Loup was the Blue Jays' rookie of the year, but doesn't say it was BBWAA who named him as such. It could be the Toronto chapter of the BBWAA, but this isn't clear. (BBWAA should be linked, btw.) The article says that Loup improved when he transitioned to a sidearm approach, but Ref 9 simply says he's a sidearmer (the citation used for the fact in the lead), not that he transitioned to it. But Ref 30 I see does support the transition.
- C. No original research:
- See 2B
- A. Has an appropriate reference section:
- Is it broad in its coverage?
- A. Major aspects:
- Body should mention what day he made his MLB debut. Mention which coaches (high school, college, minor league, major league) transitioned Loup into a sidearmer. It would be good to add if Loup was drafted out of Tulane as a junior or after his senior year. Earned run average should be abbreviated as ERA in parentheses upon its first use and then simply abbreviated from there on. Innings pitched shouldn't be presented as decimals (x.1 or x.2) but as fractions.
- Fixed Although it is never specifically mentioned that Loup was drafted as a junior, it can be assumed based on the fact that his Tulane Green Wave bio mentions him as a freshman in 2007 and sophomore in 2008. If this counts as original research, I will take it out.
- Body should mention what day he made his MLB debut. Mention which coaches (high school, college, minor league, major league) transitioned Loup into a sidearmer. It would be good to add if Loup was drafted out of Tulane as a junior or after his senior year. Earned run average should be abbreviated as ERA in parentheses upon its first use and then simply abbreviated from there on. Innings pitched shouldn't be presented as decimals (x.1 or x.2) but as fractions.
- B. Focused:
- A. Major aspects:
- Is it neutral?
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- Is it stable?
- No edit wars, etc:
- No edit wars, etc:
- Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- Keith Allison images are among the best. A second image would be great if available, but that's not a requirement.
- Only one image available, and since the silly Jays aren't coming back to the Milwaukee/Chicago area anytime soon, I can't set out and take a picture myself.
- Wow, a second image just got uploaded! I'll add that ASAP.
- Keith Allison images are among the best. A second image would be great if available, but that's not a requirement.
- B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- Overall:
- Pass or Fail:
- Overall a good job. This is passable with a little bit more work. I'll put it on hold for at least a week, but that's not a hard deadline if work is being done.
- I made all the necessary fixes.
- Overall a good job. This is passable with a little bit more work. I'll put it on hold for at least a week, but that's not a hard deadline if work is being done.
- Pass or Fail:
Sorry for the delay. A few more things I've thought of that should be worked on or included (if possible) to ensure completeness:
Lead says BBWAA named him the Blue Jays rookie of the year in 2012, but now it just says "he was named" and doesn't say who did the naming. Especially since the next sentence says the Blue Jays named him their ROY, this needs to be fixed.College stats would be niceWas he competing for a roster spot in 2013, or virtually guaranteed one? Something from spring training might be good to add.
Let me know if you have any questions. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
- Fixed. College stats are pretty hard to find, so I included what I could dig up. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 16:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
- Well, the sentence that says he was named ROY, but not by who, followed by the sentence that says "Blue Jays coaches" is still a problem. Here's a source that says it was the Toronto chapter of the BBWAA who named Loup ROY. Add that in (and put it after his 2012 statistics) and I think we're good. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
- Fixed. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 16:13, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
- Almost. "He was later named the Toronto Blue Jays Rookie of the Year.[17] ... The Toronto chapter of the BBWAA later named him the Toronto Blue Jays 2012 Rookie of the Year.[19]" The first time "he was later named", was that by the team itself? Also, BBWAA needs to be spelled out, since it's the first time the term is introduced in the body. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
- Really fixed this time. Despite my preference of the old "source editing" to VisualEditor, I can miss things in strings of refs. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 16:50, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
- So can we all. I don't use VisualEditor either. You've addressed all of my concerns and I don't have any others after another read of the article, so this can ✓ Pass. Congratulations! – Muboshgu (talk) 17:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
- Really fixed this time. Despite my preference of the old "source editing" to VisualEditor, I can miss things in strings of refs. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 16:50, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
- Almost. "He was later named the Toronto Blue Jays Rookie of the Year.[17] ... The Toronto chapter of the BBWAA later named him the Toronto Blue Jays 2012 Rookie of the Year.[19]" The first time "he was later named", was that by the team itself? Also, BBWAA needs to be spelled out, since it's the first time the term is introduced in the body. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
- Fixed. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 16:13, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
- Well, the sentence that says he was named ROY, but not by who, followed by the sentence that says "Blue Jays coaches" is still a problem. Here's a source that says it was the Toronto chapter of the BBWAA who named Loup ROY. Add that in (and put it after his 2012 statistics) and I think we're good. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)