Talk:A Song for Simeon

A Song for Simeon
A Song for Simeon
by T.S. Eliot
Written	1928
First published in	Ariel poems
Illustrator	Edward McKnight Kauffer
Publisher	Faber and Gwyer, 1928
Publication date	1928
Lines	37

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Date	Process	Result
December 2, 2013	Good article nominee	Listed
January 25, 2014	Featured article candidate	Promoted
July 23, 2022	Featured article review	Demoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 11, 2013. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that T.S. Eliot's 1928 poem "A Song for Simeon" includes passages from the Nunc dimittis prayer with allusions to the writings of Lancelot Andrewes, Dante, and John of the Cross?
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Magic requested on my talk. Not sure about genre, didn't find rhyme etc. - Unrequested: you can use Wikisource for Bible quotations, here Luke 2:25–35 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gerda. The questions about genre and form are rather tough to answer, it's best to leave them blank with eliot...he defies the categories. I will definitely look into using wikisource for the bible references/quotations, did not know that was available (other religion articles seems to consistently link offsite).--ColonelHenry (talk) 13:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I learned it on List of Bach cantatas by liturgical function, thanks to Michael Bednarek. From there they were copied to most of Bach's cantatas. - I love defying cats ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

comment from feedback to be considered.

Among the feedback offered by various users/readers on this article resulting from its appearance at TFA on 03FEB2014, a comment from an anonIP user, 108.202.194.151 stated: Repeated characterization of the Nunc Dimittis as a "prayer" or implicit request for death is misleading. The tone is one of thanksgiving that Simeon has lived to see the Messias. In context in Luke, Simeon is cast as the last of the OT prophets. Eliot simply picks up on this theme where Luke left off; to see Eliot as any more antisemitic than Christian theology (Judaism as being superseded by Christianity) seems unfair to Eliot. [sic]

Sadly, no literary scholars/critics/etc. that I've come across have embraced this perspective, but it is worth exploring to see (a) if it can be supported/included based on reliable sources, or (b) is such reliable sources emerge in future scholarship. If I come across something along these lines, or another editor has found something, I'll be glad to consider such a view for inclusion in the article. Thank you 108.202.194.151 for your comments and for a very cogent argument. I post this comment here for visibility...both to remind myself and in case anyone else happens by may be interested in exploring the question or knows of such sources. --ColonelHenry (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why the poem isn't included here

Several feedback comments have expressed that they would like to see the poem text added to the article. That would not be appropriate. Poem was written and published in 1928, it is still under copyright. While small excerpts can be incorporated for analysis under fair use guidelines, putting the entire poem here would violate copyright law. For more information, refer to the manual of style guidelines on lyrics and poetry, WP:LYRICS, and its policy on non-free content: WP:NFC. Also, per the guidelines on external links, WP:EL, adding a link to a external website where the poem is included is not allowed because it contributes to or otherwise perpetuates copyright infringement. --ColonelHenry (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Featured article review

See Wikipedia talk:Featured article review#Proposal for procedural FARs on ColonelHenry FAs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]