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Requested move 6 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: No move. Consensus is that the proposed name is incomplete disambiguation and the year is needed. It's a fair point that the theatrical film A Christmas Story is not a TV special, but as noted, there is also the TV show A Christmas Story Live!. Cúchullain ^t/c 13:55, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A Christmas Story (1972 TV special) → A Christmas Story (TV special) – Followup to reverted bold page move. Article is currently unnecessarily disambiguated by year – this is the only article (or redirect) that is disambiguated by "TV special" so "by year disambiguation" is unnecessary. The only other candidate is A Christmas Story which as the lede makes clear is a television film (and which, indeed, is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this title, and needs no further disambiguation in any case). Leaving a redirect at A Christmas Story (1972 TV special) should be sufficient. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:48, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:INCDAB because the classic 1983 film A Christmas Story is often described using the nebulous term "special", especially as part of the 24-hour marathon of it on television. Likewise, A Christmas Story Live! was called a "special". As (TV special) is not listed as a valid alternative at WP:NCTV, I would not oppose an alternate move to A Christmas Story (1972 film) since the content is an animated short film (ref) which is viewable in a number of contexts (that is, its only called a "TV special" as a marketing term related to certain airings). IMDB agrees. -- Netoholic @ 00:07, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- A Christmas Story is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. No one looking for that, is going to accidentally end up at A Christmas Story (TV special). (We can add a hatnote, if it'll alleviate concerns.) Meanwhile, if you want, feel free to create a perfunctory redirect at A Christmas Story (1983 TV special), but there is no need to leave the 1972 special at A Christmas Story (1972 TV special) because, realistically, nobody looking for the 1983 film is going to end up at A Christmas Story (TV special). Thus the article is currently unnecessarily disambiguated... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:09, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and I definitely would oppose moving A Christmas Story to A Christmas Story (1972 film) – it's not a film (and IMDb is irrelevant to this, as per WP:RS/IMDb), but a 30-minute TV program/special. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:13, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not citing IMDB as a source, I'm showing how another major information resource classifies this topic to demonstrate that we probably have it wrong. Beyond the film, and the live musical version, we could probably also find that several TV episodes named "(The/A) Christmas Story" were called "specials" in their day. -- Netoholic @ 00:25, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the year is needed. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:51, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure A Christmas Story was a theatrical release, not a television release. Dekimasuよ! 19:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. That pretty much negates any opposition to this RM proposal then, as there is no way that the primary should be referred to as a "TV special". IOW, there is only one "TV special" – the 1972 version. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:53, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's just not true. Theatrical films can also be called television specials if marketed or generally thought of as such.[1] Last year's live musical version certainly was marketed as such. --Netoholic @ 18:59, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. TV special and TV film are very ambiguous terms to use as disambiguators. Better to keep the year. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:23, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support A Christmas Story '70 is not a television film, it's bizarre it's being characterized as one (because it's been played on TV?) Ribbet32 (talk) 04:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, under this thinking, both The Wizard of Oz and The Ten Commandments are "television specials", because they were run as "holiday television specials" for years – it makes no sense. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:56, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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