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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure). In ictu oculi (talk) 08:38, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

– There's some reason for trying to keep a bit of consistency in the KinKi Kids template (though they aren't consistent), but still these five albums have clear WP:SONGDAB conflicts with other albums. A (Agnetha Fältskog album), A (Cass McCombs album), A (Jimmy Raney album), A (Jethro Tull album), B (I Am Kloot album), D (Os Paralamas do Sucesso album) D (White Denim album) D (Deuter album), E (Epik High album), E (Adrian Belew album), F (Masaharu Fukuyama album). Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 14:26, 25 July 2014 (UTC) In ictu oculi (talk) 03:17, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Current titles should redirect to disambiguation pages -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 08:06, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Question. We do need to be consistent - and accurate. So, first - is the name of the album "A" or "A Album"? If it's "A", then we should rename all of them as suggested. If it's "A Album", then that's either a unique title, or should be disambiguated. The key point is to treat them all the same. It would do no good to have A (KinKi Kids album), B (KinKi Kids album), C Album, D (KinKi Kids album), ... Dohn joe (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dohn joe, there are no reliable English WP:RS sources. "A" and "F" clearly have no "album" on cover, but the only mention of these album names comes in Billboard magazines translation of Oricon album listings where they are listed as "A Album" and so on. No book mentions. To be consistent with your past opposes and reliance of minor differences for disambiguation you should oppose these moves at length and repeatedly. This RM has been put in for the benefit of English-language users not looking for the Japanese albums. and for those looking for the Kinki Kids albums. B album (Kinki Kids album) etc. would also do the job. Other users may support this, but on the basis of your past views on titling you should oppose all possible alternatives here. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:24, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and as per WP:SMALLDETAILS, which gives less credence to disambiguation using minor details when one has been translated or transliterated. Red Slash 02:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose once and briefly. If Billboard is the only reliable English-language source, and it calls them "A Album", "B Album" etc., then that's what we have to go with. (Note that Korean, Japanese, and Chinese WP also call them that - in Latin script.) The word "Album" is more than mere punctuation, so WP:DIFFCAPS doesn't even apply. In any event, all these letter albums by KinKi Kids should be at the same format at the end of this RM, whatever the decision. Dohn joe (talk) 15:28, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. All of the article's sources, the Japanese Wikipedia article, and the band's site call it A album. Changing the title to simply A is original research. If a disambiguator is needed, the title should be A Album (KinKi Kids album), but since there is nothing else of the title, I'm not sure why it would be. — AjaxSmack 18:49, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, good luck to anyone doing English source hunting of any kind. I hear what you're saying, perhaps for "A", but it's more evidently an issue between e.g. F Album and F (Masaharu Fukuyama album), so with no reliable English sources, look at the two CD covers and say if "F" is enough. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But the hatnotes at F (Masaharu Fukuyama album) and F Album do a fine job of directing readers where they want to go. Secondary sources call the albums F and F album respectively and so should we. Adding a hatnote along the lines of For other albums called A, see A (album) is another option. — AjaxSmack 19:11, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per AjaxSmack, a school example of an instance of a WP:HATNOTE (in this case {{for|other albums called ''A''|[[A (album)]]}}, et cetera) being sufficient without unnecessary and make-work meddling with article titles. ^walk victor falk^talk 16:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment about disambiguation in general I would also like to point out that the only reason there is a perceived need for disambiguation is because it happens that those particular work of arts happen to contain a word commonly used by wikipedia for disambiguation purposes, and that any possibility of confusion is exclusively internal to wikipedia. If wikipedia had happened to choose another word for theses purposes (let's say LP as in Long Play for the sake of an example), then the whole move request would have been moot.
I have come to the conclusion (not a stroke of genius, but apparently it still needs to be said nevertheless), that many move requests are for the benefit of wikipedia's editors and their sense of ordering and categorisation (and, by nature, a strong sense of ordering and categorisation is to be expected and indeed a wanted quality in the editors of an encyclopedia), and not for the readers, who in many such cases aren't even aware of the possibility of a potentional confusion. And therefore, a fortiori, of the need of a disambiguation to begin with.
In short: disambiguate for the benefit of readers, not editors. ^walk victor falk^talk 16:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.