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Here's a thought

STOP worrying about what little box everything fits in. Something I've always liked about AFI is that they AREN'T easy to classify down to one or even a few different genres. As their OFFICIAL myspace says, they're a rock band. "Rock" is a very vague term, but it's the only way to keep things simple for those who are anal retentive about music genres. They've touched on several things, but as a general overview it's impossible to narrow them down to a few genres. "Emo" is a retarded thing to label anything, and all of this other bullshit like "Normal rock" and "Emocore" are just about as stupid. "Rock", as vague as it is, is their genre on their official myspace and is the best way to keep things simple. Shut the fuck up, and again... STOP worrying about what little box everything fits in and just listen. -- Ryan Rowland


Albums

Someone is constantly writing emo,emocore,emo-punk and other emo things in the genre of their albums.I think these articles should too be locked.Also the genres wrote there are good for me and should not be changed.Xr 1 18:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Next Single

What's the next single???? have they confirmed it yet?????Chriscool334 00:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What about TRL?!?!?

Why is TRL too insignificant to be kept up? If fans (or other people) keep voting, then they will have a major success on TRL! "Love Like Winter" was definitely on TRL all 40 days and finished at spot 7. They were even # 1 for a few days running until Beyonce, Christina, and Justin, and the All American Rejects made them drop. They were even off the ladder for a day or two. (1/14/07)

Never mind. I didn't read it completely.

What happened to 'early years'?!

Seriously! It's GONE! What the hell?! - Enzo Dragon 01:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I put it back in. It'd help if someone fixed the image (I don't know how!). I'm going to work on finding citations (the information can be found on their site, if anyone wants to do this for me). - Enzo Dragon 01:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know who's taking things out of the article, but the trivia section is gone too! What the hell? I'm putting it back. --Lizzysama 01:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
So I kinda' got around to it. I'll be adding more citations in later, just to over-kill it and make sure it never gets removed again. All of the citations present should cover the information, though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enzo Dragon (talk • contribs) 04:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC).


Hey, Wasn't it Davey Havok to go to Berkeley? Should this site specify. I think it should. That's why it is the AFI (band) page. It's supposed to have info like that that's generally obscure elsewhere.

Biography

I snipped this: "It is also said Mark went back to college after his departure from AFI." Said? Did he or didn't he? Needs substantiation. Saint Mahone 22:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I took out the sentence at the end that mentioned the DVD titled "I Heard A Voice" that is rumoured to be released on December 12th. The source of this information is not legitimate, and there is a great possibility that the title and release date of the DVD are fake. I also took out the DVD section, because it is not relevant unless this rumour is confirmed. X stella 04:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

If you would just go to their official website you would see that a DVD is going to be released on December 12, 2006. I don't remember the name though-Leandreamo

AFI acronym

Shouldn't the page be "A Fire Inside" with redirect from the abbreviation? I speak only from the standpoint of standardization, having no knowledge of this particular band. -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 00:08, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think the band is nearly always known as AFI. The long name is really only a point of trivia that fans know and few others care about. Tuf-Kat 05:23, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)
Well, as near as I can tell, everything about the bound is obscure and known only to fans. ::grin:: But there are plenty of things that are at any rate referred to primarily by initials (the US leaps to mind that are nonetheless properly called by their full name, and the official website also uses the full name. On the other hand, the articles on DNA and AIDS are listed under the abbreviations and not the full text, so perhaps my case for standardization is specious. -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 07:23, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Well, they were not always known as A Fire Inside, but they have always gone by the initials AFI, so there you go. Darkstarwithin 08:59, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Speaking from my perspective, saying "I love A Fire Inside" in typical conversation or something of the like makes you seem as if you are trying too hard. Really. Another common "joke" in the AFI community is to call them "Afee" or "Ahfee"; mocking the mispronunctiation that plagues us. Some laugh hysterically. I shake my head and call you an idiot. And they have ALWAYS been A fire inside. ALWAYS. Some say A Bunch of Freaking Idiots, blahblahblah. It runs the gamut. But the band has repeatedly stated that they have always been. Just, FYI...I know...you don't care...User:d3s0lat3_Fa1th3

Hence my username. ;) Afee 22:01, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Back when I used to listen to them in the mid-90s, the band explicitly stated that AFI didn't stand for anything, whenever people would ask! They seem to have rewritten that part of history, because I never saw the phrase A Fire Inside appear until the EP of that same name was released, after they had already released several albums. Abuncha Fuckin' Idiots was sort of the joke name for the band, and their writing credits were assigned to Anthems for Insubordinates, but neither was the band's name. --Delirium 05:15, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)

Well, on their third album which was released in 1997, if you look on the inside of the cd case near the hinge, you can see the text "a fire inside" printed on the card.Darkstarwithin 14:05, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Granted that 'personal research' is against Wiki policy, but just to weigh in with personal experience, I was a member of security for 924 Gilman in 1994/95 and became aquaintanced with AFI (amongst others). I asked the same question they must have by now heard a blue-million times. The answer? It stands for nothing, really. Davey laughed, though, and said Abuncha Fuckin' Idiots. For whatever it's worth. Saint Mahone 22:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

A friend of mine told me it used to be Askin' For It as that was the name of the fan club listed on one of the first albums if I remember correctly. Cdwillis 04:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

On the official messaeboard it says

"Has AFI always stood for A Fire Inside?" 

   * Davey, Adam, Hunter and Jade's band has always been called "A Fire Inside."

Could it not be said that when Geoff and Mark were in the band it didn't mean anything? And that with the new members came a "new" name? 03:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds like a deliberately evasive answer. It does mesh with the other evidence that use of "A Fire Inside" came to the fore around the time Jade joined the band. --Delirium 03:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

In their early CDs they are credited as Anthems for Insubordinates. I guess later they just changed their names. On other CDs like Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes they call them A Fire Inside. Does that make any difference to anyone?{{Mistress Winter}} 23:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

They did change their name. Maybe Davey, Adam, Hunter, and Jade's band has always been A Fire Imside, but what about the earlier incarnations of the band? That's why the Q:A cited names the bandmembers specifically. - Enzo Dragon 12:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I know back in the day their website was AskForInformation.hotmail.com So maybe AFI orriginally stood for Ask For Information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.25.68.76 (talk) 16:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

They were always called AFI but have not always been called a fire inside. and besides, afi is ther term that you always use. or "affy" if you're my sister. and yeah, the thing about adam, jade, davey and hunter's band is evasive, cos afi hasn't always been adam, jade, davey and hunter's band, so there's a potential for smartassery/finding a loophole. --Gpmuscillo 22:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Very Proud of Ya release date / label

I'm not convinced this section is correct. It states the release was '95, then re-released 96 on Nitro. However, the article doesn't mention the first album re-release on nitro (96). I think this might be a mix-up. As far as I can tell, VPOY was released for the first time on nitro in '96.

You have VPOY confused with ATASF. Afee 22:01, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

VPOY was officially released in 1996. I have the CD, and you can check the release date on Amazon and the official AFI site. -- Hotdoglives 24 October 2005


Linked Article

Is there really a reason the article links to a random concert review from over two years ago? Any reason to keep it? At all? --Blue Dream July 5, 2005 23:57 (UTC)

well it's relevant, since it's them performing, and it isn't doing any harm... -- Jon Dowland 22:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Eh, I guess. Alright then. --Blue Dream 02:10, July 14, 2005 (UTC)


Albums/Vinyls/EPs without pages

Given that I'm going to have an excess of free time in the near future, I think I am going to take it upon myself to flesh out AFI's discography a bit more. I started working on 336 a little. Question, though: would it be appropriate of me to add them into the rotation on the individual existing album pages? For example, currently The Art of Drowning links forward to Sing the Sorrow, and Sing the Sorrow back to The Art of Drowning, despite 336 coming out between them. Once I get the 336 page up to snuff, shall I set those two pages to link to it, and have it link forward and back to them?--Blue Dream 19:55, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Well, 336 isn't an album, so I wouldn't suggest doing that. Looking at e.g. Bloodflowers, singles/EPs etc. are not included in the rotation. However, the box on the RHS of Broken (album) indicates that singles, EPs etc. are included in the rotation for Nine Inch Nails (note also the page title being prefixed with (album), dispite it not being an album). I'd suggest looking around other groups and seeing what the concensus is. NIN may be an exceptional case, as every last release of theirs was given a unique sequencing ('halo') number, singles and all. I think some of AFI's earlier releases may be more difficult to include like this, so I'm inclined to think only albums should be in it. -- Jon Dowland 11:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree with you that NIN doesn't really work as an example either way, with their Halo system and all, but I think that EPs of entirely new material deserve -- i.e., All Hallow's, A Fire Inside, and 336 -- should be... well, I don't want to say treated as albums, because they're not... essentially, I think there's a difference between a single, which may or may not include any b-sides, and an EP, which is specifically new material, generally. The Cure haven't really had any EPs, per se... even though they did have a few non-album singles back in the day -- which somewhat defeats my point, doesn't it, then? Hm... --Blue Dream 19:21, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
It's all debatable: I guess this goes to show there are no hard and fast rules :) I'd argue that Japanese_Whispers was an EP. -- Jon Dowland 11:35, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Or are the EPs and early stuff not significant enough to warrant that? Thoughts, anyone?--Blue Dream 19:55, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

well, personally, I think the All Hallows EP is their best release - I intend to work on, if not write entirely, that article someday. -- Jon Dowland 11:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Or hell, is this job not worth doing at all? --Blue Dream 19:55, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

it's up to you what you spend your time doing :-) -- Jon Dowland 11:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
You've done a great job with the discography. It makes me feel all warm inside to look at that enormous list of releases because it really shows at a glance that AFI was around before StS. Besides, the albums are the things that really MAKE the band - their history and all that is extra stuff. I would consider the EPs as equal to the albums. There's a huge difference in length, but isn't All Hallow's usually acknowledged as one of their BEST albums? A Fire Inside was the last album made with a member of the original line-up (the end of an era), and 336 is part of the Clandestine and Sing the Sorrow mystery that's had fans over-analyzing things for three years now. Wow. Afee 21:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Singles

I really do not think the articles for the following are needed:

They are devoid of much information and are quite pointless, they haven't even been linked to. There should only be one Girl's Not Grey and The Leavig Song article (at MOST) each, every format should not get its own article. I think they should be labelled for deletion. Plus, articles should start with the article name and articles such as these should include the band's name in the first few lines, not only as a category. Tartan 22:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. I've merged them all into one article for each. Dwnsjane2 03:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Didn't notice this till now, but thanks for that. Tartan 16:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that there is no confirmation that Kill Caustic is going to be the next single. X stella 21:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, I'd also like to point out that Endlessly, She Said has not been confirmed as the next single. So far there has been no official news of the next single. I'd like to see the sources for where people are getting this information. X stella 20:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I just removed this line-"A new single, "The Missing Frame", is scheduled for a Janaury release.". This is like the 3rd time I've seen that in the article with no confirmation. Lizzysama 22:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Just because Davey said that his fave songs from the album are The "Killing Lights", "Endlessly She Said", "The Missing Frame" and "Love Like Winter doesn't make them singles.... well, it does make love like winter one i guess lol.

Why does the article for Decemberunderground say "Summer Shudder will be the next single, as confirmed by absolutepunk.net 2", while this page says The Missing Frame is the next single? --Lizzysama 20:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Dates

Shouldn't the dates be wikified? raylu 17:35, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

The first occurence of each, sure. -- Jon Dowland 23:49, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Compilations

Down in the compilations section... Myspace Records doesn't need the "Rabbits are Roadkill" song name listed by it. None of the other compilations have the song names listed. No reason to start doing it now, unless you mean to go back and add the song names to the other compiliations too. --Hotdoglives 12:28, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Vandalizing

It appears someone didn't like AFI too much and vandalize the Bio section to say "AFI Sucks!" in large, bold letter before the article started. As far as I can tell, it's the only change he made. I edited it back. If you check the history, the change is the one right before mine- I'm not sure if this guy has vandalized more articles, that might be something to look into. Mouseclicker 05:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


Nope. He hasn't. --Dwnsjane 05:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

You can find out the edits of any user by going to the "my contributions" link that is at the top of the page when you are logged in (right next to the links to watchlist and logout). Click on it and it will show all your edits. Look at the URL and just change the username to the username you want to see and viola! If there are spaces in the username, use_underscores_like_this. There is probably an easier way, but that's how I do it. The Ungovernable Force 07:45, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

There is also another vandalism that doesn't seem to have been reported here recently: just before the "mainstream success" section, there is a bit of vandalism that I can't seem to remove, no matter which edit I click, Including the one at the top. I'm referring to the statement beginning with "A BAG OF W***", and I don't know how they did this. TIKKIMANN 21:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


Now someone is vandalizing writing stupid things about afi and their name... :| Xr 1 20:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Compilations

The compilations section is huge. I've moved the "real" compilations into it (the eponymous release on Nitro and the vinyl boxed-set), but the others are mostly multi-artist punk comps. It would make more sense to list the actual song(s) that AFI ahve on those comps where possible, but also that should go in it's own article as it really crowds out the rest of the info on this one. Assuming there are no objections I'll do that in the near future. -- Jon Dowland 20:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


previous members

I was just wondering why there is no reference to AFI's previous members. And this article also says right at the top that AFI was formed by not only Davey and Adam, but also Hunter and Jade. That isn't true. This should be fixed by somebody.Conner f 01:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


Covers

Since now we are listing the covers, we need to make an organized list of them, to replace the messy paragraph we have now. Hotdoglives 07:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Years Active

Didn't the band become inactive both between 1993 and 1995 (when members attended college) and in 1998 (when Mark left)? --Kahlfin 18:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Lower It

In the biography, I found the following sentence: "The song 'Lower It' is rumored to be about straight edge kids who do not stay straight edge." I searched and could not find a source for it. I myself have heard rumors both that the song is about Mark and that the song is political. Unless someone can find a source, I'm going to remove it. --Kahlfin 19:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


Do we really need so many links at the bottom of the page? I think the offical AFI Site, The DF, The Myspace and maybe AFISeries should suffice. This isn't a bulletin board for every fansite out there. Krys Nyteshade 19:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think some people have been adding their own fansites just to get publicity. Let's take some of those down. Hotdoglives 10:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
AFI Series deserves to be linked down at the bottom. It's probably the only AFI fansite that gets exclusive material and permissions from the band. - Enzo Dragon 10:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Just went and dropped a couple of more that had popped up. Uh, looks like I'm not logged in. This is Krys again.


The AFI Wiki-Dictionary page is really disorganized. It should be formatted differently.

Here's one that should be added http://www.afireinside.net/bio/

Bands Agent

I am a writer, trying to get an interview with AFI, but have not been able to contact them. Do you know how to contact their agent, or the direct members?

yeah check out Fuse "Making of Miss Murder" and they show there tour manager. jaykob

I'm not sure. Althouh looking on their website might help. Dwnsjane2 06:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


The Offspring Cover

The Offspring covered AFI's Totalimmortal (All Hallows EP) for the soundtrack of Me Myself & Irene (2000). It got a fair amount of radio play, and helped in exposing AFI to larger audiences. The lead singer of The Offspring, Dexter Holland, at the time owned the label AFI was signed to (Nitro Records), and is featured as a backing vocalist on a number of Black Sails songs. Important enough? GoodCyning 16:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I would think so. Where would it go in the article? --Kahlfin 21:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

The current image of the band's logo looks like it was made on MSPaint or something...Someone please find a higher-quality rendering of it if u can. Unless, of course, the band simply favors crappily-drawn logos. --Wikiwow 18:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I have a better image of the logo but i have no idea how to get it up. Would anybody like to tell me how? -- posted anonymously at 18:21, July 28, 2006 from IP 152.163.100.73
There should be an "Upload file" link in the toolbox on the left-hand side of the page. You may need to register first, or get a registered user to upload it for you. -- JHunterJ 13:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok. So I found the upload thing. Only problem is that it confuses the hell out of me. So I guess you guys will have to find someone who understands how to do all that.--Conner f 22:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
There's also Wikipedia:Uploading images. If there's still confusion, that page (uploading images) should be edited to clarify the process. Let me know if so! -- JHunterJ 23:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I finally managed to change the logo. My confusion was lifted after going over things in the uploading images article like suggested. It should look better than the previous one. If not, it's my faultConner f 00:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Just so you two know, the the logo that had been featured here was actually a very, very high quality rendition. The reason it looked so crappy on the wiki is that it has a fade-boarder, meant for a color other than white. - Enzo Dragon 10:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

VMAs & Mystery

I think it should be added that AFI is nominated for this year's VMAs under Best Rock Video, Best Direction in a Video, and Best Cinematography in a Video.

Also, I was very surprised to see that there was no mention of the Charlotte/336/Clandestine mystery. It's become an obsession to many AFI fans, new and old. --Echoing0comfort 04:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It'd be hard to mention Clandestine within the band's wiki. However, if someone wanted to start a seperate wiki on the mystery, and then list it under "see also:", I'd get behind it. Enzo Dragon 10:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to try to add unfo about the mystery that into the article. Though it I can't go into the entire mystery in detail because for the most part it is alot of unconfirmed facts. As for the VMA, I don't think it is nessasary to add that to the article until we find the results. Dwnsjane2 18:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't call any part of Clandestine "uncomfirmed facts". There are beliefs some fans hold that are entirely false, however, so you'd want the right people to help you write. - Enzo Dragon 10:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Alot of it is unconfirmed facts. None of the theories suggested have been confirmed by the band is true. The only confirmed facts are the obvious evidence, and the short film.
I wouldn't describe someone's theory as a "fact" in any context, and the mystery isn't based around those theories, reguardless. Therefor, you COULD describe the entire mystery in detail without any problem, and leave the reader to come up with their own theories. - Enzo Dragon 12:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
they won.

Other Notes section

I think that the "other notes" really breaks up the flow of the article. When I read it, it sounds very "by-the-way". Perhaps I'm just crazy. Still - is there any way we can get all of those facts in without it reading like a bunch of forks in a newspaper? - Enzo Dragon 10:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I've tried to incoperate as much of those into the article as possible. Because some of them occur to me as more part of the history of the band as opposed to trivia. Dwnsjane2 18:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


DVD and decemberunderground Special Edition

Is there a reason why the inof on them keeps on getting deleted every time i put it up? (Zeropunk16 08:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC))

Genre Section

I'd have just put this under the "Genre" headline already created, but I think this deserves special attention. GothicEmbrace made an edit awhile down the line, and then continued insisting that the genre section should be devided into sections (Early/Mid/Current, or something along those lines). It seems to me that this is both unprecidented and unecessary. Take, for instance, the Clash, a band that has been around the spectrum quite a bit. It's article is not devided into sections, but instead the genres are listed without noting the time-period. This seems most practicle to me, since the job of a band article, as I see it, is to provide information on the band in all years - it is the job of Album articles to assign a genre to individual eras. Certainly by way of ear-work, we can hear AFI's roots up into their latest work, both in the Hardcore Punk and Punk Rock genres, which makes AFI's case much more a candidate for non-sectioned genre. 70.16.196.104 05:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Emo would be the genre I would classify them as. Seeing as "Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria..."
AFI is only listed for the sake of objectivity. It says "Correctly or not", meaning that not all of the band's listed fall within the boundaries of 3rd wave emo. - Enzo Dragon 00:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Spelling of AFI

iTunes spell the band A.F.I. What is the correct spelling? DJJJ 15:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

It is spelled on the albums without the periods. I'm pretty sure it's AFI. 69.248.110.202 01:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It is spelled either way.

New CD?

The page lists "Clandestine Lullabies" as coming out in 2007. Did I miss something?

Good

These pages are some of the best I've ever read! I think you did a realy good job making and addin these entries. I know alot about Afi cuz i have every single album.

New EP?

"The band is also planning on recording a new E.P that should be out by late spring." Where was this found out at? Zeropunk16 22:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Jade mentioned the possibility of an EP in an interview, and that it might come out Summer/Fall. Late Spring it was most definitely not, and it was only speculation anyway. So, that's probably where it came from haha 24.24.237.250 09:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


picture?

Where did the band picture go? It was there the last time I checked and now it's gone. Lizzysama 22:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I just replaced it. It was removed by an anonymous editor with no explaination. Ollie 22:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Lizzysama 22:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the pic should be changed from time to time, or at least maybe have a couple more pics.

Wester

When was "Wester" released as a single?

trivia

Why does the trivia section keep being removed? Is trivia no longer allowed on wikipedia articles or something like that or is it because it's "unremarkable" and very small? I'm seriously confused, because tons of other articles have this section. --Lizzysama 02:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm assuming that the reverter, "Can't sleep, clowns will ear me," is going off of the basis that the information provided in the late trivia section was not of an encyclopedic nature, or "unremarkable" (that is, not really all that important that an encyclopedia needs to have the info on hand). If you question his reasoning, I would suggest that you message him about it! - Enzo Dragon 05:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that some of the stuff from TRIVIA was relocated to TV performances.

Decemberunderground

the album has not yet been cirtified platnum, but only gold.Jimmypop1994 20:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


They deserve a platnium and Im not sure why they havent got one yet!! They are an awsome band- much better than some of the mainstream!!! Im 14 and I love AFI- their music hass meaning- their music is ART!!! Im just very suprised why they havent been labeled as one of the best bands of all time!!

The SNL Sound Glitch

Just tossing this into debate

(LadySatine 07:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC))

What about it? Wikipedia is not a forum for discussing bands. Diabolical 16:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe it should be added to the article. Floramage! 18:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC

Rider

I think it should be noted according to thesmokinggun.com Davey asks for a very large mirror on every AFI tour.

No, it shouldn't. Diabolical 01:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

That makes sense for him to have a very large mirror, he is pretty hot.

Ok, I went on thesmokinggun.com last night and entered both AFI and Davey Havok in the search and got no results, so I'm not sure why the very first comment was posted. Not true.

Merge from Despair Faction

Please merge any relevant content from Despair Faction per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Despair Faction. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-26 08:35Z

Punk Fiction?

should punk fiction be added in here? or would the album cover upset too many?? LollyLo 09:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC) -the fat kid —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.143.152.236 (talk) 03:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

More Vandalism

I'm not a member of wikipedia but i'm sure this is important. I noticed when i clicked on the page around about the top in bold letters there is a sentence that says 'IT'S THE GREATEST BAND EVER" or something like that...sorry i just thought i should tell you so it can be removed because isn't that like a POV or something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.152.31.227 (talk) 01:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

Members.

I was just looking at the Tiger Army page at their 'Members' section. I thought that was something that would benefit this page. I figured it was somethng that should be after "History" and before "Discography". I mean, it could be useful to have a section with "Current Members" featuring Davey, Adam, Hunter and Jade and then "Former Members" with Geoff, Victor and Mark. Mnesimache 22:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

EDIT: Nevermind, I see how it's been incorporated into the Musical Artist Infobox. Having looked at other articles (for example, that of The Beatles, I think I'll be off to edit the Tiger Army page, haha.

Afi concerts?

They suck now because theres always pushing to get ot the front, and its always starts by little girls, iv been seeing it latley at afi concerts, have you guys? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ahmed203 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

as people cant decide what genre afi are why dont you put genre Debated and write a bit about all the music style that afi blend in to there music in the article. look at the him page for ideas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIM_%28band%29

I checked out the HIM page and it seems like a good idea. However, remember the 'no original research' stipulation - if we could perhaps find a source talking about the difficulty in classifying their genre? Or a number of sources that list their genre differently? Mnesimache 16:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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