Talk:AFC Championship Game/Archive 1

Archive 1

Most victories

Shouldn't this be a tie between Pittsburgh and Denver? If Pittsburgh is 5-1 in Super Bowls, doesn't this imply that they too have won six AFC championships? Unschool 00:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. Emily Litella 00:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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Tom Brady

Is it really necessary to put Tom Brady was out for the 2008 season as a star on the 2008 Steelers winning the AFC Championship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.180.229.58 (talk) 23:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I reverted it. It does not seem relevant, or a clear cut cause-and effect. Several high-profile players have suffered season-ending injuries for decades, and yet teams have overcome it. On the other hand, it is pure speculation if the Patriots with Brady would have advanced that far. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

How can You say you don’t think it’s relevant Brady sucks and not the goat is more likely to play in an AFC Championship game when healthy than any NFL QB ever is to complete a pass. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:187:8400:3DD7:F17A:FB7C:845D:CA04 (talk) 02:55, 19 January 2019 (UTC) Sorry, but if you think Matt Cassel was a better choice of QB than Tom Brady, Ive got a tunnel to Cape Cod to sell you! When one of the best players, a HOF shoe-in then, to ever play the most imoprtant position in the modern game is absent there is absolutely no denying the team was not at its best. The Steeler fan/Brady hater would do well to imagine Chuck Nolls Steelers without Terry Bradshaw-they didnt win anything without Terry!

Casing

Sources other than those published by NFL (which inevitably will use the self-promotional hype of over-capitalizing) should be consulted. "AFC championship game" is another proper way of referring to the same event even if the NFL calls it the "AFC Championship Game" to make it look more significant. The upcased title may be widely accepted or not; if Reuters and the NY Times use it, we should too; if they say "AFC championship" and "AFC championship game" (or even "AFC Championship" and "AFC Championship game"), then we should follow their example, rather than that of the PR flacks.
--Jerzy•t 20:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I cannot speak for Reuters or the NY Times manual of style regarding the titles of sports events, but doing a Google News search, I can find several other news sources and reliable sports web sites that use "AFC Championship Game" (the uppercase title) in the body text of their articles.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Wikipedia articles should not be based solely on only two style guides. Or else, for example, we would have to change almost article so every surname or last name is prefaced with "Mr." or "Ms." like what the NY Times does.[11] Or avoid terms like "Third World" like what Reuters recommends.[12] Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I apologize about the last two sentences: those are pet peeves of mine regarding the NY Times and the Reuters style guides, respectively. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

• I see no need for apology, but perhaps i need to say that i don't think your peeves elicited the light-hearted ones of my own that i tossed off. IMO a little irrelevant petulance can relieve the discussion (or at least my drearily serious tendency within it).
  --Jerzy•t 06:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  

• Thank you; your prompt and diligent response is more than i hoped for! (And good for you, in throwing out the of course title-cased headlines.) I'm still interested in those two sources, and not bcz i worship at both of their shrines (only the NYT one, actually [grin]), but bcz their relative seriousness is useful where toadying to self-promotion is likely overcome common sense: the question is solely whether those who want themselves taken too seriously (The artist formerly known as Prince, Sean P. Puff-Puffy Diddy-Daddy Combs, and the owners of the business of major-league baseball) are succeeding or not. C'mon; it's as if they think they were the Gods of The Only Sport that Doesn't Suck!
  OK, having done my WP:writing for the enemy, i notice that you've mentioned only "several other news sources and reliable sports web sites", without any apparent effort to determine whether they use our current title exclusively, at first reference, or at random, nor what is predominantly used. I did a NYT search of the NYT, which doesn't insist on adjacency of the words, but considers it a hit only if all search terms appear, and may be insisting they all appear in the body of the article (tho it highlights them in the title). Here are the 1st-pg results, excluding hits on lks to prev/next entries in the staff-written blog -- entries could already be in the list), & including headlines only when they mention some identification of the event:

1. In hdln: "A.F.C. Championship Final: Colts 30, Jets 17 - The Fifth Down Blog" -- In body: "Greg Bishop, Ben Shpigel and William C. Rhoden are in Indianapolis providing live analysis of today's A.F.C. championship game between the ..."
2. In body: "“I've started making the decisions that the quarterback who makes it to the A.F.C. championship game makes. I've still got a long way to go, ..."
3. In hdln: "Sunday's A.F.C. Championship Matchup - The Fifth Down Blog" -- In body: "The comparisons between this week's A.F.C. title game and Super Bowl III will make you ..."
4. In body: "That's what these new Jets should be thinking, too: how do we get back to the A.F.C. championship game and beyond? ..."
5. In hdln: "N.F.C. Championship Final: Saints 31, Vikings 28 (Overtime) -- In body: Today's winner will play the Indianapolis Colts, who defeated the Jets, 30-17, in the A.F.C. Championship Game."
6. In hdln: "Analysis - Inevitably, Manning Solves Ryan's Complex Defense" -- In body: "And when the light bulb went on for Manning in Sunday's A.F.C. championship game , it blinded the Jets, who lost, 30-17. ..."
7. In hdln: "A.F.C. Championship Glance: Jets vs. Colts - The Fifth Down Blog"
8. In hdln: "N.F.C. Title Game Draws Its Most Viewers Since 1982" -- In body: "game had more viewers than any NFL conference championship game ... It was the most for an A.F.C. title game since 47.5 million saw New ..."
9. In hdln: "Share Your Favorite Moment From the 2009 Jets Season - The Fifth" -- In body: "1) Miami needs to lose one of its two remaining games (vs. Houston or vs. Pittsburgh). ... A.F.C. Championship Final: Colts 30, Jets 17 ..."
10. In hdln: "In Defeat, Mark Sanchez Offers Greater Hope for Jets' Future" -- In body: "The Jets lost to the Colts in the AFC Championship, but the performance of ... Colts in the American Football Conference championship game, ..."

While this list avoids the pitfall of the earlier one (which was cherry-picked down to a single name and a single casing of it), neither of them offers sufficient evidence to decide the question. IMO, my list illustrates that there are many ways to refer to the event, and that neither list is sufficient to answer the question i raised (nor for that matter, are the two combined). In any case, my interest is exhausted, and i leave the matter to others.
--Jerzy•t 06:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Your comment reminds me of what is, in fact, mentioned on Abbreviation#Conventions followed by publications and newspapers: "The New York Times is unique in having a consistent style by always abbreviating with periods". In any case, with the different conventions out there, I agree that it is probably best to just go with the WP:RETAIN rule: retain the style first chosen by the first major contributor of the article. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:21, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

separate articles

I just thought of a suggestion that could be considered. If possible, maybe there can be separate articles for each AFL/AFC Championship game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryn Morgan (talk • contribs) 02:38, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Such separate articles are going to have to be as detailed as the 1981 NFC Championship Game and the 1995 AFC Championship Game articles, otherwise they'll eventually be merged back into the playoff articles again. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:45, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Longest drought without AFC championships

There are 3 teams that were in the AFC when the championship game started that have never won the game. The Jets (that are listed as record holder), plus the Chiefs and the Browns. These other 2 teams should be listed as sharing the record. While all 3 teams have either an NFL championship or Super Bowl win, they have never been AFC Champions. Spparky (talk) 21:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

1980-81 AFC Championship Game - Stadium Name Issue

In keeping with the trend of using the stadium's current name when the game was played, the name Qualcomm Stadium did not exist when the San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders played each other for the 1980 AFC Championship. At that time, the stadium was named Jack Murphy Stadium, and the article should reflect this. Thank you. --BZA99 (talk) 19:00, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Done. Also the 2002 game between the Titans and the Raiders was played when Oakland's stadium was known as Network Associates Coliseum. Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:45, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Protection from Vandalism

Yea... We need a to protect this page from vandalism Why does this page need to be protected from vandalism exactly. The piece about one team getting a chance to play the Patriots I actually factually true over the past 8 years. At least let people add something about the fact that Brady is more likely to play in an AFC Championship game than any NFL Qb is to complete a pass. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:187:8400:3DD7:F17A:FB7C:845D:CA04 (talk) 02:58, 19 January 2019 (UTC)