Talk:AC Monza

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June 24, 2022	Good article nominee	Listed
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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 2, 2022.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Italian football club A.C. Monza played 40 seasons in Serie B before securing promotion to Serie A – more than any other club?

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Uniforms

Someone should take a look at the Italian Page for this squad. There is a difference in the uniforms between the two pages. I assume the Italian version is the correct one, but I'm not sure about how to change it.Acmilan7 (talk) 18:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly written and few citations

The majority of the history section reads like it was copied from Google Translate, with some of it not making sense at all. There are also very few citations. If there is anyone moderating this page that whole section needs to be re-written in grammatically correct English, or at least in a way that makes sense. Citations also need to be provided, there isn't a single one up until the 2004-15 section bar one next to the mention of the win over AFC Wimbledon... Yellowman94^{Talk•Contribs} 13:46, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the Italian football clubs had the same issue, and when i tagged the section "list of broadcaster" in Serie A as unreferenced section, the template was brutally removed. Usually adding cite and rewritten need DIY, or just leave it rotten. the Italian task force was dead for now and except some article have fans to pick-up. Matthew hk (talk) 13:53, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Yellowman94 and Matthew hk: I may be 5-odd years late, but I should have taken care of it now :) Nehme₁₄₉₉ 01:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:A.C. Monza/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kingsif (talk · contribs) 23:05, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Ok, stability seems good, nothing outstanding on the talkpage and edit history is safe (supported, for now, by a low level of page protection)
Copyvio check comes up clear too Kingsif (talk) 00:52, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A couple things are sourced to the team's website, pretty simple non-controversial statements (fine), or to the news branch of it, which seems fair. Otherwise sources seem good; mix of reputable Italian news agencies and some football-specific ones. A few books about the team, too.
Acceptable ref and sources formatting, consistent through article. Kingsif (talk) 02:20, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use logo in infobox, then lots of very useful free images!
- The bus art may need some scrutiny under freedom of panorama in Italy laws
The lead is far too short for the length of the article, most of the history mentioned is from the last few years, it could be good to broaden this part of the lead coverage.
The 32-53 history section might want to explicitly say that because of the shirts, they gained the nickname.
It is possible to link the Rossa Monza hex code to the colour, if you wanted to do that.
Though the stadiums could be merged into the history, I think it is fine the way it is, and personally I like this structure. Kingsif (talk) 13:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

@Nehme1499: Sorry it took so long to upload my main comments, I’ve just given it a look over and have nothing more to add, either. The prose is good and it meets all sourcing requirements. It covers everything I expected and stays on topic. I think the lead could be longer, and there’s some minor suggestions I’ve made, plus a concern about the freeness of the image of the bus advertisement. But that’s all, thanks for the patience. Kingsif (talk) 13:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: Thanks for the comments. Regarding your points above:
I'm not really sure regarding the FOP in Italy. I'd nominate the article for FA anyway, which would have a more thorough image review.
I don't know what information could be added to the lead. True, it does sway more towards the past season, though it was also arguably Monza's most important season in their history. I ~~could add~~ have added that, between the 2000s and 2010s, Monza went bankrupt twice, and had financial issues. Other than that, I don't think that the events pre-60s and between the 70s and 2000s are that important.
I have clarified the nickname/shirt situation.
Wikipedia doesn't have an article for Rosso Monza. Or maybe I didn't understand what you meant Nehme₁₄₉₉ 15:54, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On the last point, I believe that, like external links are accepted in templates relating to creative commons, there is a template that makes a hex code into an external link to the hex color code website and displays the color as well as its RGB and other codes. I cannot remember what the template is, or maybe I dreamt it, or maybe it's an old phab request? In any case, it was an idea and not a requirement. With the note that I think the bus image should be looked at, I couldn't say based on the FoP guidance on commons that I would rule it out as free, so I think we can pass this! Thank you for being so patient! Kingsif (talk) 21:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Division movements + kits

@Footy Tea: The divisional movements table is not standard; no WP:FA or WP:GA article about a football club has this section. If you wish to include it, please gain wider consensus from WT:FOOTY. The kits section looks horrible formatted this way on desktop view. It leaves so much unnecessary blank space. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not a graphic, but the kit section creates problems in mobile view. Scrolling is discouraged, so I invite you to find any solution but the mobile view can’t be sacrified.--Footy Tea (talk) 22:11, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Footy Tea: I've removed the divisional movements table, if you want to add it back seek consensus at WT:FOOTY. Regarding the kits, I'll keep it your way until I find a solution to satisfy both desktop and mobile view. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done Nehme₁₄₉₉ 23:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 12:05, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Monza players celebrating their Serie A promotion in 2022

... that, prior to their promotion in 2022, Italian football club A.C. Monza had played in 40 Serie B seasons without playing in the Serie A, more than any other team in Italy? Source: Stadium Astro
- ALT1: ... that Italian football club A.C. Monza were first promoted to the Serie A, the top division in Italy, in May 2022? Source: Goal.com, ESPN
- Reviewed: Nick Solak
- Comment: I'm aware that both hooks can potentially be written in a better way. I'm open to any variation. Also, the image can be replaced with any present at Category:AC Monza Serie A celebrations, 31 May 2022.

Improved to Good Article status by Nehme1499 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ~~Awaiting qpq;~~ am pretty sure back in the glory days of Football Italia they didn't call it "the Serie A", just "Serie A" — is the "the" necessary? ~~Also, can't access the hook citation, just spins and spins, but AGF on that;~~ qpq now done (plus I can now access the original hook ref (no. 133!), which checks out); good to go with the original hook, thanks, ~~Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 18:31, 25 June 2022 (UTC)~~ Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Maculosae tegmine lyncis: Weird, the Goal.com link opens easily for me. I've added an ESPN link. To me, it sounds weird calling it "Serie A". It's akin to saying "Manchester United play in Premier League". Also, the league itself uses "the" (legaseriea.it). Which of the two hooks do you prefer, btw? Nehme₁₄₉₉ 18:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the QPQ. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 18:55, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, looks like there's usage within and without wiki both with and without "the", so as you prefer; I prefer the original, more detailed hook; thanks, interesting article, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd just like to point out the pleasing symmetry in that "Serie A" and "Serie B" are both mentioned exactly 39 times in the article, best as I can tell. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 12:04, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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"2023–24 A.C. Monza season" listed at Redirects for discussion

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