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List of chess periodicals says that 64 started in 1968 and is published twice a month. Golombek's encyclopedia (1977) says it started in 1935 and is published weekly. I used Golombek's data, but please correct it if it is wrong or out of date. Bubba73 (talk), 02:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hooper&Whyld (1992) (under the "periodicals" entry) say bimonthly, so maybe the frequency changed between 1977 and 1992. I'm sure better information is available. http://ru.wikipedia.org might help, but we would need the assistance of someone who can read Russian. Quale (talk) 02:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I've ever seen an issue of 64, but I think it is obviously one of the most important chess magazines. We need more about it than I know. Golombek says that it is 16 pages long, but that is probalby out of date, so I didn't include it. He also says it costs five kopecs, about 8 US cents, but I didn't include that either. Bubba73 (talk), 03:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems it started even earlier, editor Nikolai Krylenko: 1924 [1] [2] or 1925 [3]. See also the german wikipedia [4]Voorlandt (talk) 09:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your first source says

64. 1935-41, 194?- Weekly or bimonthly. The best selling periodical in the USSR. Edited by Nikolai Krylenko 1924-38 and Tigran Petrosian from 1968-1977. Contributors have included Smyslov.

1935 and then later says 1924. Maybe he cound conflicting information too. Also it says that Petrosian was editor until 1977, but he was fired for losing to Fisher in 1971. Perhaps he got the job back after a short time? Bubba73 (talk), 15:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I got that wrong - he was fired after his 1977 loss to Korchnoi. Bubba73 (talk), 17:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I doublechecked, and Golombeck says 1935 but everything else seems to say 1924 or 25, so I think Golombek must be in error. Bubba73 (talk), 16:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From [5]: In 1925, the All-Union Chess Section was formed with Krylenko as its chairman. A new chess publication, 64, was created. But also, a few lines later: In July, 1935, 64 chess and checkers newspaper began its publication. Its circulation was 20,000. So my guess is that in 1935 something rather drastic happened to the magazine. Perhaps it changed format? Perhaps it was expanded to include checkers as well?... However it does seem that Krylenko was still involved (until 38). If we can find sources, it would be nice to say something about this change in the articleVoorlandt (talk) 18:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The msytery deepens. I thought it might just be a typo in Golombek. But it sounds to me that they probably added checkers (draughts) in 1935. Bubba73 (talk), 18:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The actual founding may have been in August 1924 or possibly earlier. D.J. Richards, Soviet Chess (1965), Oxford University Press, p. 20: "As early as August 1924 a popular-style chess magazine, 64, was founded, under the editorship of Krylenko." And then a footnote: "64 was issued as a magazine until 1935, when it became a weekly chess newspaper. Its ceased publication in 1941." This is a scholarly work based largely upon Russian-language documents, although it doesn't provide specific cites for its claims so they aren't easy to double check. While we're at it, we should also create Shakmaty v SSSR. Fischer used to read it. (Don't know if he read 64.) Quale (talk) 01:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's good enough information to go with. Thanks for finding that. And that explains the 1935 date in Golombek's encyclopedia. Yes, Shakmaty v SSSR needs an article too. Bubba73 (talk), 02:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oxford Companion spells it Shakhmaty v SSSR. Bubba73 (talk), 05:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Oxford Companion is right. I made a careless typo. Quale (talk) 05:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the culb! Bubba73 (talk), 05:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I make enough mistakes spelling English words. When I try to spell in any other language ..., well, I'm just glad that others are checking my work. That's one of the best things about wikipedia. Quale (talk) 05:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of chess periodicals gives 64 as starting in 1968. Could that have been the date of a format change? Bubba73 (talk), 13:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some more information, this time from [6] In 1968, Alexander Roshal, the youngest Merited Trainer in the country, abandoned his profession for journalism; together with Tigran Petrosian he began putting out the weekly chess magazine 64. But also In 1992, the magazine went out of existence because of what was described as “hard times.” And had there been no Alexander Roshal, there would have been no such magazine today. He resurrected it and then privatized it (64 became the first privatized print edition in the country), and since that time, Roshal not only proudly calls himself editor-In-chief, but publisher as well. So it seems that they are quite a few important dates: 1924 (magazine), 1935(newspaper), 1941(war), 19;;(reappeared) ?= 1968(magazine), 1992(hard times) ?= 199?(privatised, resurrected) Voorlandt (talk) 21:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC) More information at the chessbase article on Alexhander Roshal [7]. Voorlandt (talk) 21:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC) Ok, so it was closed in 1992, and reappeared in 1995, see [8] (google translation of spanish website). Hmmm, seems it was published in 1993 after all [9]. We really would benifit from someone who can read russian; I am sure there is a lot of information to be found.Voorlandt (talk) 21:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As a mostly unrelated note, it would be great to have an article on Alexander Roshal also. I came across his name recently in 2007 in chess since he died last year. In addition to being editor and publisher of 64, he also resurected the Chess Oscar. Quale (talk) 21:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I fully agree. Also interesting (either for this article, or the Roshal article) from link 6 is Few know that 64 was the first to publish Nabokov in the USSR, in 1986, by printing an excerpt from his Other Shores [autobiography – Tr.]. For this, Roshal received a serious punishment, even though at that time Anatoly Karpov was listed as Editor-In-Chief.Voorlandt (talk) 21:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that timeline helps a lot. Bubba73 (talk), 01:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still available?!

Looking here it seems that that magazine is still available for purchase. In the article it is said that it was stopped in 2014. --Bodhi-Baum (talk) 17:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done, you are right (it was the "Oscar" that ended in 2014, not the magazine). Alexcalamaro (talk) 22:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is this entry up-to-date?

Surely there are more chess periodicals in the world than these.202.36.254.250 (talk) 03:34, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]