Talk:5-Methyl-2-((2-nitrophenyl)amino)-3-thiophenecarbonitrile

A fact from 5-Methyl-2-((2-nitrophenyl)amino)-3-thiophenecarbonitrile appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 May 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a chemical known as ROY has eleven crystalline forms, including red, orange and yellow examples?

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The image license is wrong "Uploaded a work by Michael J Hall, Michael R Probert et al. from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7357602/ with UploadWizard". Means that you are loading a picture that doesnt belong to the uploader - therefore the license claim is unauthorised. Licencing the picture as the work of a us gov employee might work. Victuallers (talk) 10:21, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Victuallers:. Could you please explain what you mean? The article from which the picture is taken is clearly licenced CC BY 4.0, as indicated here immediately under the author information[1]. Hence I can upload it freely, provided I give the appropriate attribution, which I have done. Incidentally, the authors are all British, not American.

On another topic, you have reduced the size of the reaction scheme with an edit summary of "its not difficult to see and looks really odd at this size". I disagree: on my 17" monitor the current thumb size is far too tiny to read the details and just fills the screen to left and right with white, wasting space which could have been used to show the image better. I have redone the image precisely as advised in MOS:CHEM, choosing a slightly smaller overall size than I previously had. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:33, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a chemical called ROY has eleven crystalline forms including red, orange and yellow examples? Source: Red–orange–yellow reclaims polymorph record with help from molecular cousin [2]

Comment: Note that article title has incorrect brackets owing to a technical limitation and it might be better to use "ROY" as its name.

Created by Michael D. Turnbull (talk). Self-nominated at 15:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article is new enough (passed AFC a couple days before nomination), just long enough, neutral, and well-cited to reliable sources. Spot checked sources and found no problems, no copyvio detected. QPQ waived for nominator's first DYK. Hook is of good length, well formatted, interesting, and cited in article. @Michael D. Turnbull: I'm wondering if you could write an alternate hook with the fact ROY held the record for having the largest number of well-characterised polymorphs? – Reidgreg (talk) 18:15, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, Reidgreg. My only thought is that most readers won't know what a polymorph is. Of course, that might attract them to find out but that's why I favoured "crystalline forms". I don't really mind what gets used as this would be my first DYK. Perhaps a compromise hook ROY holds the record for having the largest number of well-characterised crystalline forms? Holds. certainly, not "held" as its record is current. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:48, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  I was thinking that most readers wouldn't know that eleven forms was a lot/a record. I think you're right about 'crystalline forms' being easier to parse. Phrase it however you like, but see if you can work in that it was a record (I can make suggestions but I can't do it myself or I'd have to call for a new reviewer). Put it on a new line with ALT1, the formatted hook, and its source.
  
  I think of ALTs as brainstorming with 'no bad ideas'. We can strike them if they don't work, and if there are multiple acceptable ones then the editor who promotes this to the Main Page will have a choice, to balance with the other hooks in that day's DYK set.
  
  I feel that you're probably right about 'holds'. We have to be cautious about 'current' because articles always lag behind events since Wikipedia has to wait for reliable sources to describe said events. Given the context and that ROY has a number of additional uncharacterized/unconfirmed forms, I think its hold on the record is fairly secure from the 2020 source. Another editor may disagree, though, and this will receive an increasing amount of attention when it moves up the queue towards its Main Page appearance. So be prepared to defend the phrasing or rephrase it, should that happen. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:51, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that ROY holds the record for having the largest number of crystalline forms, with eleven? Source: Red–orange–yellow reclaims polymorph record with help from molecular cousin [3][4]
- Comment: The second source, the Cambridge Structural Database, searches out the current number which is today one more than the ten mentioned in the 2020 article (and should be read to exclude salts of the compound). Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:15, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Approve ALT0, ALT1. FYI, the hook will get listed at Template:Did you know/Queue first in a prep area where it is assembled with other hooks (usually for variety) and then into a queue. The time this takes depends on how many other hooks are already approved. Its Main Page appearance will be scheduled when it is placed in the queue. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]