Talk:3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment

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The battalion also stopped an Iraqi counter attack at the BIAP after a RIP of the 3rd ID. A number Iraqi Soldiers and gurrila fighters were killed in the 6 days of fighting around the East gate.

Merge

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The result of this discussion was no merge D O N D E groovily Talk to me 15:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article should be merged with 187th Infantry Regiment (United States)Hal06 (talk) 02:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed This unit does seem to have notability in itself. Five presidential unit citations is quite impressive, and battalion level units are primary unit of the Army, rather than regimental. Different battalions of the same regiment may be assigned to wildly different positions, and be involved in notable actions separate from other elements of that regiment. However, the current article reads like a cross between a unit history and a recruiting pamphlet. This article oozes boosterism. The sections which are specific to the 3rd battalion are a small percentage of the total article. With these things all together, rather than doing a total re-write involving deleting most of the article, I agree that the articles should be merged. Considering the general level of inactivity on this article, I have added the proposed merger tag, and will check back here in the future. If after about a week, there is no other debate on this subject or objections, I will go ahead and perform the merger.RevZoe (talk) 01:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree The article is still in progress and should not be moved. 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment is one of two "third battalions" in the Infantry; the other being 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment. The Army saw fit to preserve the lineage and history of the Iron Rakkasans because it is a notable unit. Other "third battalions" in the Army were transformed into cavalry units under the Brigade Combat Team concept. If the Iron Rakkasans were not "notable" as you suggest, they would still be flagged as 2nd Battalion, the Raider Rakkasans. Once again, the citations will come from multiple sources if necessary. Thank you. ESH (talk) 01:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The notability of the unit was not the point on which I agreed to the merger. Rather, the contents of the article are almost entirely the same as that of 187th Infantry Regiment (United States). Further, the tone of the article is, at its best, clearly NPOV. The issue in question is not whether this particular unit deserves specific mention in Wikipedia, but whether this particular article would be better placed within the larger context of the 187th Inf. I am not on a crusade to merge these articles, but rather interested in enhancing the quality of Wiki in general, so I am very open to discussion on any of the points I have mentioned here. RevZoe (talk) 01:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I've just given the article a copy edit and tried to address the neutrality of the prose. I think there's enough here that's distinct from the 187th Infantry Regiment (United States) to stand alone, and the article didn't have to be entirely gutted to tone down the promotional prose. I'd vote against the merge as it stands. Gonzonoir (talk) 18:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"'Disagree'" Yes current and past members of this battalion have been relatively slow to update this page, however, this Battalion is the unit most closely linked to the original regiment. A point of contention is that the unit has SIX presidential unit citations (five associated with Army operations, and one from a Navy operation INCHON). This makes 3-187 the highest decorated conventional unit of its size (Battalion) in the 18th Airborne Corps (Army?). Furthermore, I believe all of the MOH recipients are from 3-187. Furthermore, furthermore, then LTC Honeycutt sent the men of 3-187 to take hill 937 aka Hamburger Hill. Finally, the 3-187 has had a who's who list of former Commanders: Gen William Westmoreland, Gen Melvin Zais, Gen Weldon Honeycutt, Gen Raymond Odierno (current Army COS), and of course Gen (ret) David Petreus now director of the CIA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.180.98.84 (talk) 05:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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