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Responding to spammer abuse

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Not sure how to respond to 419 spammers using Wikipedia. I think there are two concerns here. One concern is that the article may have been vandalized to support the spam and to fit more closely with the story the spammer is using in his spam. The other concern is that the spammer is fundamentally trying to abuse the credibility of Wikipedia to fool suckers into sending him money. I added a short warning to the front of the article, but I don't think that is nearly adequate to deter the spammers from abusing Wikipedia (or ANY other part of the Internet that they can abuse). Shanen (talk) 20:46, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another concern has already occurred to me. This particular article was featured in a news story. Not recently, but it's only a matter of time, probably short, until the spammers go after featured Wikipedia articles, adapting their scams to match that article. There should be a streamlined anti-spam mechanism to cut off the spammers in such cases. Not a comprehensive solution, but remember that there are LOTS of people who hate spam and who would like to discourage the spammers, while there are extremely FEW suckers who send money to the spammers. It should be easy for any one of the LOTS of people to cut the spammer away from the FEW suckers.

Shanen (talk) 20:51, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re-inventing the wheel

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The process of developing a prospective article probably needs to be a little different than the process of creating an article about a 11th century subject.

If this presumption has any merit, it makes sense to open a thread about what is learned during the process of developing this article about the 37th G8 summit?

Perhaps the experience of editors who work on this article will be useful? --Tenmei (talk) 03:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Citizen journalism

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Is this helpful? Should it be restored? --Tenmei (talk) 19:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Citizens' groups are expected to organize citizen journalism centers to provide independent media coverage of the G8 summit and the expected protests. In a sense, this article will evolve as the work product of something like citizen journalism, evolving through serial drafts as part of "the first rough draft of history."<:ref>Braiker, Brian. "History's New First Draft," Newsweek (New York). 8 July 2008; retrieved 13 February 2011; compare Ralph Keyes: The Quote Verifier: Who Said What, Where, and when, p. 107.</ref>

EU participation

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There is a slow-motion edit war about one aspect of 37th G8 summit. It needs scrutiny and discussion.

Collapsed argument and details

Beginning with the 3rd G7 summit in London in 1977, the President of the European Commission or his successor President of the European Union has been a formal participant in successive annual events -- see "EU and the G8". In each article about G7/G8 summits, Lucie-Marie has deleted text about EU participation. These serial reverts ignored hyperlinks in the supporting inline citations which were also deleted. Despite attempts to engage discussion here, no consensus has been achieved. Her opinions here have merit, but they remain only opinions. No cited source supports these reverts. Our core policies require something different. WP:V seems relevant because "the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth — whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."


Group of Seven or G7+1
Group of Eight or G8+1


A slow-motion edit war is worrisome; but discussion can be constructive -- see Muskoka 2010: G8 members

The edit history of 36th G8 summit records an unhelpful pattern:

  1. diff 17:40, 9 July 2008 Lucy-marie (6,628 bytes) (→Composition of summit leaders)
  2. diff 16:48, 20 July 2008 Lucy-marie (10,987 bytes) (→Leaders at the summit: EU is invited and could be left off the invite list so it is not a oermenet member)
  3. diff 21:54, 10 April 2009 Lucy-marie m (24,339 bytes) (→Leaders at the summit)
  4. diff 19 March 2010 JLogan (24,837 bytes) (EU is a permanent participant, not merely a guest. check the main page)

The same pattern is seen at 37th G8 summit:

  1. diff 21:54, 10 April 2009 Lucy-marie m (12,394 bytes) (→Leaders at the summit)
  2. diff 09:28, 19 March 2010 JLogan (12,628 bytes) (→Leaders at the summit: EU is permanent participant, not just a guest)

This thread may help resolve the issues, or it may help bring clearer focus. --Tenmei (talk) 02:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date now known

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While looking for the date, I first stumbled upon this page, and then found this:

http://www.g20-g8.com/g8-g20/g20/francais/pour-la-presse/communiques-de-presse/conference-de-presse-de-nicolas-sarkozy-24.894.html

On this page, you can download the "Dossier de presse", and on page 27 it says:

"Le sommet du G8 aura lieu les 26 et 27 mai à Deauville." (The G8 summit will take place on May, 26th and 27th in Deauville).

So you may want to integrate this in the page.

Nicolas C.

85.2.255.56 (talk) 15:53, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Exactement. --Tenmei (talk) 00:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Official website

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I reverted three entirely reasonable edits here and here and here. Was this arguably justified?

Explanation: The French have created a combined G20/G8 website designed in a rectangular format. Among the section choices offered at the top, the G8 section is at the far right.

Although the page design is displayed fully on my rectangular desktop monitor, there is a minor display problem with my older laptop which has a square monitor. In the square format, the G8 option is not immediately visible; and initially, I misunderstood, thinking I'd reached the wrong website.

It seems to me that others may encounter this minor confusion.

IMO, this G8 "home page" is more appropriately displayed in the external links of this specific article, e.g.,

I hope to avert any awkward moments similar to the one I experienced. If not, why? Do you see my point? If not, I will try to explain again using different words. --Tenmei (talk) 18:48, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"...but effectively this meant converting the seaside resort into a fortress for the G8."

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This statement in the section 'Security' - the tone strikes me as taking a negative POV. "Fortress" is certainly not encyclopedic language, at the very least. Perhaps re-word? 64.180.40.100 (talk) 16:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC) (User:Zazaban)[reply]

G8 leaders picture

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The picture shows all G8 leaders except Silvio Berlusconi which has represented Italy during that summit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.92.153.12 (talk) 09:27, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spammer warning

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As of this date, this article is being used as part of a spam campaign for a 419 scam. I suggest the anti-scam warning be left for at least a couple of days--but Wikipedia should have a better mechanism to prepend such warnings when scammers abuse the credibility and reputation of Wikipedia to pitch their scams. Shanen (talk) 23:48, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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