Talk:317a and 317b mummies

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Review: May 24, 2022. (Reviewed version).

A fact from 317a and 317b mummies appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 June 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Tutankhamun's infant daughters are unnamed, being referred to only as "the Osiris" on their coffins?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:317a and 317b mummies/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 15:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to this in the next few days. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, I look forward to your comments Merytat3n (talk) 02:14, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
Discovery:
- Would a main article link to Discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun be useful here? Y
- When were they transferred to the Egyptian Museum? Y
- When were they transferred to Cairo University? Y
- It's not stated but I'm assuming that they were buried singly and there were two coffins found, one for each mummy? Y
Coffins:
- "were contained within two sets of small mummy-shaped wooden coffins" ... so there's a coffin set for each mummy? And how many nesting coffins in each set? This is confusing. Y
317b:
- "as although the umbilical cord is not preserved, the navel was not retracted, indicating that the cord was cut off rather than drying off naturally" this is clunky ... suggest "as indictions are that the cord was cut off rather than drying off naturally." and put the exact details into an explanatory footnote, if it's felt necessary to include. Y
I did some very light copyedits - please make sure they did not change meaning or that I didn't link to the wrong target of an article. Y

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those changes look good, passing this now. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much!! I really appreciate you taking the time to review the article! Merytat3n (talk) 01:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 22:45, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Tutankhamun's infant daughters are unnamed, being referred to only as "the deceased" on their coffins? Source: Carter, Howard (2000). The Tomb of Tut.ankh.amen: The Annexe and Treasury. London: Duckworth. pp. 88–89
- Comment: My first ever DYK submission

Improved to Good Article status by Merytat3n (talk). Self-nominated at 11:41, 26 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: ~~The article itself says that they are called "the Osiris", which differs from the hook. What's the deal with that?~~ resolved casualdejekyll 01:15, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The intro paragraph didn't specify it at the time (which I've fixed - thanks!) but the sentence/quote I'm using does (end of the Coffins section). The title 'the Osiris' identifies the name that usually follows it as someone who is deceased and therefore joined with the god of the dead Osiris. Merytat3n (talk) 09:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Honestly, "The Osiris" sounds cooler to me, but I'm not too sure. @Merytat3n: what's your opinion on ALT1: ... that Tutankhamun's infant daughters are unnamed, being referred to only as "the Osiris" on their coffins? Source: Carter, Howard (2000). The Tomb of Tut.ankh.amen: The Annexe and Treasury. London: Duckworth. pp. 88–89 casualdejekyll 16:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Casualdejekyll: Yeah I like it! I reckon you are right, its more intriguing this way as readers will have to click through to the article to find out what is meant by 'the Osiris'. Merytat3n (talk) 22:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right! ALT1 is good to go, then!.. I just realized I'm not allowed to approve hooks I proposed myself. Oops. casualdejekyll 22:56, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]