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On 15 November 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from 222nd Broadcast Operations Detachment (BOD) to 222nd Broadcast Operations Detachment. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 15 November 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is a general consensus that the acronyms are to be taken out from the page titles, therefore moving per nom. For specific cases that were raised during the discussion or other cases requiring further modifications to the titles, further moves can be appropriately made without prejudice. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 12:46, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(everything after this point was added later)

– "Name (Acronym)" is not how Wikipedia articles are titled. This should be uncontroversial, but I'm filing a requested move just because mass actions are often better discussed first. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing to note is that a lot of these articles are extremely low-quality for reasons other than their title and could use some love. But that is unrelated to fixing the title to comply with Wikipedia's style standards. I chose to put this discussion on the talk page of the first article that wasn't so low-quality I could see myself nominating it for deletion, which wasn't until five entries in. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support per nom. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 07:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support – I can't think of a reason why the acronym should be included in the title. It will feature in the opening line of the lead anyway. --Deeday-UK (talk) 09:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I agree with Deeday-UK. Newwhist (talk) 14:08, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support all. 162 etc. (talk) 18:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support This format is pointless—blindlynx 20:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Also made a change to a Spanish-language proposed title to add a missing accent. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No objection. The accent was also missing in the original title. As I said, these pages could use some love, and that one specifically has had no human edits since 2015. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:17, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support all to match the proper English Wikipedia naming guidelines. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – To clarify what I said earlier, the acronym should be mentioned in the opening line of the lead. If it's not, then it should be added as part of the article move. --Deeday-UK (talk) 10:22, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Completely non-standard. However, I would change to:

Not proper names. Also:

per WP:THE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to any of the above changes, except for "The Update Framework (TUF)", which I would argue is a proper name; the article is about a specific update framework, not the general concept of update frameworks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Pppery on TUF. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Joint Special Forces Selection (JSFS) was a move last month from United Kingdom Special Forces Selection based on one source. In Talk:Joint Special Forces Selection (JSFS)#Move discussion in progress, I propose moving:
- Joint Special Forces Selection (JSFS) → UK Joint Special Forces Selection

--Melbguy05 (talk) 11:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No objection. Also note various midstream changes to the RM (Removing "NCCC Malls" following an undiscussed move away from the name (acronym) title, and removing "Intelligence Quotient (IQ) and Browser Usage" because that's what it's actually called. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, seems straightforward. – Joe (talk) 09:55, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Multi Role Support Ship (MRSS) needs to be hyphenated. Should probably be Multi-role support ship (Malaysia) or something similar as the article is specific to the country. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. This requested move was trying to reaffirm a general principle, not pick the optimal title for each article. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Given it appears to be an official designation, then it should only be hyphenated if the Malaysian navy hyphenates it. It's not our job to correct the grammar in official titles. Otherwise we'd be inserting hyphens into all those lieutenant colonels, major generals and vice admirals for starters (as they correctly used to have, but which have fallen out of use in recent years)! -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:22, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - It seems to me best to move forward in two steps. Step one: as has been stated, this proposal is for the removal of the acronym. Do that as a global change. Step two: then if any of the titles need further corrections/improvements, do so separately for each article on its own merits by editors most knowledgeable about the article. Any attempt to do the steps in one move will result in a great ball of confusion. Newwhist (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.