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Opening session of the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China

Great Hall of the People, Beijing, China – 2022-10-16

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The 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party, October 2022, is akin to a US party convention and general election in one. It's pretty important. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Commentary

The commentary section contains commentary for the event as if it had not happen yet. This should be updated either with commentary done by outlets after the event finished or have it removed compeletly. Bly000 (talk) 15:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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'Protest' Section

I'm having an extremely hard time understanding the inclusion of this section in the article, and the back-and-forth I've had with people defending it has so far offered not a shred of meaningful justification, only 'just because'. One anonymous person placing a couple typo-filled banners on a random bridge for a grand total of an hour or two could barely be seen as significant protest, and even more importantly, I struggle to see how it is so directly related to the congress itself that it warrants inclusion as its own section here in this article. I'm going to remove it, as I strongly debate its WP:REL. If people believe it warrants inclusion, they can finally give a meaningful explanation as to why, since the WP:ONUS is on them. Thank you. 173.212.124.217 (talk) 11:11, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, seems to be unrelated to the congress, apart from being in the same country in the same week. Please be mindful on the rules around edit-warring, you've reverted this 3 times now. I have contacted the other user on their talk page and asked them to join us here! JeffUK (talk) 11:15, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the RSes below for why this section should be preserved. This highly unusual event has a direct link to the party congress.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6] Normchou ^💬 16:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have read your references, they're all newspieces in western media all pointing out the sole concidence that it happened near the time of the Congress. China is a big place, a lot of events happened before, during and after the congress. One man with one banner on one bridge seems a ridiculously low bar for justifying inclusion in this article, if you really want the single unifying thread to be that it was close in temporal proximity to the Congress. Six western news articles pointing out the coincidence does not make a strong case for relevancy. I also see you decided to revert the edit back even after so many reversions have already happened, defying the need to reach consensus before changes happen - should we be bringing in a higher authority to settle this? 173.212.124.217 (talk) 16:22, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All 6 sources listed above are considered reliable in WP:RSP. If you are suggesting that this connection is an extraordinary claim, that's enough sources to substantiate it. If you believe that Western media should not be trusted in articles related to China, that's another discussion, but as far as I know, the consensus in Wikipedia is that the above 6 sources remain reliable even in topics concerning China.

Many protests happen in China, but most are concerned with particular events. In-person protests directly targeting Xi Jinping are extremely rare, let alone it happened in the capital city during the week of the party congress. PetraMagna (talk) 19:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "'New tank man': Rare protest in Beijing mars Xi Jinping's moment". Washington Post. Retrieved 4 November 2022. the Sitong Bridge in Beijing on Friday, where protest banners with slogans criticizing the Communist Party's policies were hung the day before, ahead of China's 20th Communist Party Congress
^ "'We all saw it': anti-Xi Jinping protest electrifies Chinese internet". the Guardian. Retrieved 4 November 2022. Such an overt and publicised protest against Xi specifically would be significant at the best of times, but this occurred just days out from the ruling Communist party congress.
^ "Anti-Xi protest spreads in China and worldwide as Chinese leader begins third term | CNN". CNN. Retrieved 4 November 2022. Over the past week, as party elites gathered in Beijing's Great Hall of the People to extoll Xi and his policies at the 20th Party Congress, anti-Xi slogans echoing the Sitong Bridge banners have popped up in a growing number of Chinese cities and hundreds of universities worldwide.
^ "Unusual public criticism of Xi Jinping before CCP meeting". Quartz. Retrieved 4 November 2022.
^ "China's 'Bridge Man' inspires Xi Jinping protest signs around the world". BBC News. Retrieved 4 November 2022. A rare one-man protest against Xi Jinping in Beijing has inspired solidarity protests around the world as China's party congress sits this week.
^ "Rare protest criticizes China's president days before Communist Party congress". NBC News. 13 October 2022. Retrieved 4 November 2022. A rare protest calling for Chinese President Xi Jinping's overthrow was staged in the country's capital Thursday, days before the start of the Communist Party congress, which is expected to cement his rule for an unprecedented third term.

Why is the CPC not called by its true name?

I fail to understand why this page keeps referring to the Communist Party of China as the "Chinese Communist Party". There is a clear racial distinction as the party is not only the party of the Han people but all peoples of China. Besides, the party itself is called the Communist Party of China and not the Chinese Communist Party. It feels extremely subjective to change the name of the ruling party of the biggest country on the planet just because we prefer it? I am curious to hear the reasons why this page refuses to use the actual name of the party when referring to it. 91.183.224.50 (talk) 14:19, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "'New tank man': Rare protest in Beijing mars Xi Jinping's moment". Washington Post. Retrieved 4 November 2022. the Sitong Bridge in Beijing on Friday, where protest banners with slogans criticizing the Communist Party's policies were hung the day before, ahead of China's 20th Communist Party Congress

[2] "'We all saw it': anti-Xi Jinping protest electrifies Chinese internet". the Guardian. Retrieved 4 November 2022. Such an overt and publicised protest against Xi specifically would be significant at the best of times, but this occurred just days out from the ruling Communist party congress.

[3] "Anti-Xi protest spreads in China and worldwide as Chinese leader begins third term | CNN". CNN. Retrieved 4 November 2022. Over the past week, as party elites gathered in Beijing's Great Hall of the People to extoll Xi and his policies at the 20th Party Congress, anti-Xi slogans echoing the Sitong Bridge banners have popped up in a growing number of Chinese cities and hundreds of universities worldwide.

[4] "Unusual public criticism of Xi Jinping before CCP meeting". Quartz. Retrieved 4 November 2022.

[5] "China's 'Bridge Man' inspires Xi Jinping protest signs around the world". BBC News. Retrieved 4 November 2022. A rare one-man protest against Xi Jinping in Beijing has inspired solidarity protests around the world as China's party congress sits this week.

[6] "Rare protest criticizes China's president days before Communist Party congress". NBC News. 13 October 2022. Retrieved 4 November 2022. A rare protest calling for Chinese President Xi Jinping's overthrow was staged in the country's capital Thursday, days before the start of the Communist Party congress, which is expected to cement his rule for an unprecedented third term.

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