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It seems like lately there has been some interest in maintaining the yearly rock music articles, so I wanted to try to better explain the purpose of these articles.

What the article aims to do, is to point out major and noteworthy releases and events in the rock music world. Not necessarily everything that happens, but bigger accomplishments. Year-defining type stuff. Things that are often covered:

  1. A rock album hitting the top 10 of a major chart.
  2. A rock song topping a rock chart format.
  3. A rock song crossing over into all-format charts.
  4. Rock music being particularly acclaimed by critics or awards.
  5. Rock bands disbanding, reforming, or releasing music for the first time in a long while.
  6. Rock music getting noteworthy attention in other media (big events/festivals/tours/movies, etc)

In all honestly, its been a bit trickier maintaining some of this, because rock hasn't really had a whole lot going on in 2024. But this is generally how its been handled, going all the way back to the 2006 in rock article. Sergecross73 msg me 16:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Following up on this, per a compromise with another editor, we now have two separate sections now:
  1. Albums released - any album commonly labeled as rock music may be listed here.
  2. Notable events - documents events such as the the six items listed above.
This approach will likely be continued as long as other editors are interested in maintaining the "albums released" list. My focus will continue to be more standout, year-defining stuff. Sergecross73 msg me 17:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A place for leads on things that could be potentially added to the article in the future. Sergecross73 msg me 16:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe I improved the format, but clearly not everyone agrees. The bulk of the entries in the "Events" section are actually new releases from US bands and artists - which clearly does not match the standard definition of the word "event". In fact, the article content only serves to emphasize the US-centricity of the article as it stands. It might as well be called 2024 in US music. If we are going to keep the title "Events", these new releases should only be allowed to remain if they are truly exceptional Deb (talk) 16:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Yes, I did not think the reorganization was an improvement. I do not think it makes sense to split out sections like that. There were only two "events" that were strictly "events" and not music releases in your version. I generally do not believe in splitting out short sections like that. I'd similarly oppose it if someone, for example, wanted to rearrange the "future releases" section by album and EP. Because there's not many EPs on the list, so I don't believe it warrants its own section. I also revert editors when they create a brand new section in a band's history just to say a new album was released.
It's just like my edit summary said, it was strictly about not feeling there was enough content to warrant splitting it up like. So, I'm not really understanding how you're making this about the US-centric-ness of the article. Your rearranging did not address this at all. It did not add any new content, nor did my revert remove any content. It simply rearranged things a bit. Furthermore, I'm not aware of myself (or anyone) opposing any of your additions or attempt to make it less US centric, so I'm really struggling to understand how these two things are related. It feels like conflating issues.
If your hangup is just the word "Event", then we can brainstorm to call it something else. My opposition doesn't particularly include the use of the word "Event", it was in the way that you reorganized/split things out. I'm more than happy to come up with a different section title we can all agree on. Sergecross73 msg me 17:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You say that there were only two "events" and that's quite correct. But it doesn't make sense even to have an events section if there are only two events - I'm quite sure there are a lot more than that if you were to look outside the US. Just as one example, what about the annual Sweden Rock Festival? But to call the section "Events" when it consists solely of album releases (and almost exclusively album releases that make the Billboard chart) doesn't make sense. It might just as well be merged with 2024 in American music. Deb (talk) 17:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, I just said I'm willing to work on a compromise solution here. I don't understand why you're being so antagonistic here. It was a single revert, and I'm literally trying to work with you on this. I've asked for your input and you're still lecturing. What's a better section title name? Let's work on this together.
The Sweden Rock Festival is a good addition. I couldn't have added it myself because I've never heard of that before. I usually put things like festivals in the "Touring/Live Music" section, but yes, its good content. Sergecross73 msg me 18:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not lecturing, but I know we've talked before about how US-centric this article is, and it does need to be addressed. If I've come across as antagonistic - sorry, but I could just have got into an edit war with you and I don't want to do that. What I'm saying is that you should be looking more broadly, not concentrating on the Billboard charts. Deb (talk) 06:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and just like last time, I'll direct you towards WP:SOFIXIT - just like before, no one's preventing you from adding content to making the changes you're complaining about. (Your minor reshuffling of section titles and content absolutely did nothing to address the actual content in the article.) Sergecross73 msg me 12:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What it did was to shift attention away from new releases by US performers and towards actual notable events worldwide. I'm disappointed that you can't see how important it is to adopt a global view and not to put excess weight on one corner of the world. Deb (talk) 14:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But both events were entirely US-centric, so how did the re-arrangement accomplish anything?
Are we talking about the same edit? This edit? How does separating out a US band reforming and 2 US bands getting Grammy's, make the article less US-centric?
Like I said, I encourage you to add more world events. But I can't understand how that edit achieved your intended effect. It simply doesn't. Sergecross73 msg me 14:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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